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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The one-sided intimacy of being a fan]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[A Vox reader asks: What exactly are parasocial relationships and why are they so prevalent now? Here’s a hypothetical scenario: You hear your favorite podcasters every day. You know their voices by heart. They’re chatty and relatable, and they casually reveal all the details of their lives — and what they don’t say on the [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>A Vox reader asks: What exactly are parasocial relationships and why are they so prevalent now?</em></p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">Here’s a hypothetical scenario: You hear your favorite podcasters every day. You know their voices by heart. They’re chatty and relatable, and they casually reveal all the details of their lives — and what they don’t say on the podcast you can easily pick up from following their social media accounts. Eventually, you start to think of them as people you know — even friends. So, it’s a rude awakening when you see them at a coffee shop one day and walk up to say hi, only for them to look at you like you’ve just accosted a complete stranger — because you have.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The reality is that, no matter how close a person feels to their favorite celebrities, influencers, politicians, or podcasters, these relationships aren&#8217;t reciprocal. When a person chooses to put time and energy into these one-sided relationships, we call them &#8220;parasocial.&#8221;&nbsp; The prefix “<a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/para">para</a>” here takes the sense of approximating or substituting for something but not actually being the thing itself. These connections may feel social, but they aren&#8217;t.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Why, then, do so many people seem to feel like they are?</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The easy answer to that is that humans are really good at projection. Witness all the humans who are <a href="https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/367188/love-addicted-ai-voice-human-gpt4-emotion">currently tricking themselves</a> into believing their <a href="https://www.wired.com/story/couples-retreat-with-3-ai-chatbots-and-humans-who-love-them-replika-nomi-chatgpt/">gen AI tools are in love with them</a> or are <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/ai-spiritual-delusions-destroying-human-relationships-1235330175/">divine prophets</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The more complicated answer is that modern-day celebrity is constructed from an interwoven mesh of elements, ranging from unintended celebrity gaffes to intentional marketing, that result in a public persona that everyone feels entitled to. That’s because we all, in a sense, helped create it.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But are we creating monsters?</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Parasocial relationships have been around for nearly as long as celebrity itself</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The aspirational idea that we can have personal relationships with people we’ve never actually met is an intrinsic hope of humanity. It’s found everywhere from religion — Christians are encouraged to have a relationship with Jesus, a man who lived 2,000 years ago — to political systems. Think, for instance, of medieval soldiers who died fighting for the name of a king they were never in the same room with, nevermind <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/24043045/politics-fandom-trump-fans-toxic-stan-culture-conspiracies">the acolytes who go to bat</a> for their preferred candidates today.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The association of these feelings with intense fandom dates back to at least the 19th century, and they’ve been stigmatized just as long. At the time, pundits coined the words “<a href="https://regencyfictionwriters.org/byronmania/">Byronmania</a>” and later “<a href="https://www.classicfm.com/composers/liszt/history-lisztomania-phenomenon/">Lisztomania</a>” to describe European fan crazes for the darkly romantic poet Lord Byron and the flashy pianist Franz Liszt. Then, of course, came “<a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10815492/teenage-girls-screaming">Beatlemania</a>,” which set the stage for an ongoing media tendency to <a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11531406/why-were-terrified-fanfiction-teen-girls">dismiss fans</a> as hysterical, oversexed young women — a misogynistic view that downplays the <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/15/i-used-to-be-ashamed-of-being-a-fangirl-now-i-see-how-joyous-and-creative-it-was">cultural importance</a> of <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-goods/23158503/one-direction-fandom-book-kaitlyn-tiffany">fangirls</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Fandom can be deeply meaningful and positively impactful for the millions who are involved in it, and handwringing about parasocial relationships often presumes that fans lack the ability to distinguish what’s real, flattening a variety of experiences and expressions.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But it’s also true that fans overstepping their boundaries makes things hard for the people they stan. Modern fan culture has shifted away from worshiping aloof Hollywood divas from afar and toward complex entanglements between fans and stars. This shift arguably began in the late aughts within <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/21258262/k-pop-essential-playlist-guide-for-beginners">K-pop fandom</a> and grassroots gamer and vlog fandoms on YouTube and Twitch, then expanded into the influencer phenomenon, and finally —  irreversibly — into modern celebrity “<a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/24043045/politics-fandom-trump-fans-toxic-stan-culture-conspiracies">standom</a>.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While much of stan culture is positive and welcome between celebrity and fans — see the entire Taylor Swift <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-goods/23149181/taylor-swift-dance-party">ecosystem</a> — much of it is overtly toxic. Some <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68572668">fans seek to control and direct</a> their favorite stars’ private lives, even to the extent of shaming them and speaking out against them when they try to have lives outside of their public personas. Other segments of modern fans <a href="https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10011028">stalk celebrities openly</a>, proactively, and proudly, often fully rejecting the idea that what they’re doing is wrong or causing their fave serious discomfort.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the early years of influencer and stan culture, people who hit it big often had zero media training and zero preparation for how to deal with their new fame. Increasingly, however, celebrities have shown a <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/feb/13/too-close-for-comfort-the-pitfalls-of-parasocial-relationships">heightened awareness</a> of the complex nature of these relationships, along with a willingness to speak out instead of feeling pressured to appease their fans. Last year, for example, <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/373359/chappell-roan-speaks-out-against-toxic-fandom-stans-harassment">Chappell Roan spoke out about</a> experiencing harassment, stalking, inappropriate behavior, and bullying — all of it coming from her own fandom. In recent years, celebrities including <a href="https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/celebrity/john-cena-filmed-fan-jake-paul-podcast-294876-20240125">John Cena</a> and <a href="https://www.nme.com/news/music/mitski-asks-fans-to-stop-filming-entire-songs-or-whole-sets-at-her-shows-3169422">Mitski</a> have asked fans to stop filming them, with Mitski claiming the experience of having to perform for a sea of phones makes them feel as though they’re being “consumed as content.”&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">Most fans, however, never interact directly with the public figures they’re “consuming.” Instead, they’re interacting with the public persona that exists between the person and their fandom. And because that public persona isn’t entirely real to begin with, it’s easy for the boundaries that might exist in a real relationship to break down.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Why are we like this???</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The word parasocial comes to us from sociologists Donald Horton and R. Richard Wohl, who, in 1956, penned <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00332747.1956.11023049">the essay</a> “Mass Communication and Para-Social Interaction: Observations on Intimacy at a Distance” in a volume of the research journal <em>Psychiatry</em>. “One of the striking characteristics of the new mass media,” they wrote, “is that they give the illusion of face-to-face relationship with the performer.” They dubbed this new form of mediated encounter “para-social interaction.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Around the same time Horton and Wohl were navigating this new space between public performer and audience, renowned philosopher Jacques Lacan was positing that each individual <a href="https://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/symbolicrealimaginary.htm">exists in a kind of triple state</a>: a symbolic representation of the self; an imagined, often idealized, version of the self that we internalize when we envision ourselves; and then the “real” self, the actual person who exists apart from the symbolic and imagined selves.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>The result of all this sticky interdependence is an increase in fans feeling entitled to pieces of their celebrities’ lives.</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Nowhere is this triple state more apparent than with celebrities. Film scholar Richard Dyer first articulated the concept of a “<a href="https://litlab.stanford.edu/star-texts/">star text</a>,” arguing that every Hollywood star exists simultaneously as themselves, as a constructed persona — a “text” — that might mean different things to different audiences, and as the symbol they represent. The construct of “Chappell Roan,” for example, is a glam queer pop idol, the deliberately camp persona of a Missouri native named Kayleigh Rose Amstutz. To her fans, she’s not just a singer, but a representation of liberated queer identity as performed through a range of complicated love songs and power anthems.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s this public-facing persona that stands apart from the individual celebrity and becomes a part of the cultural consciousness. It is partly created by the celebrity, partly created by their consciously cultivated brand, partly created by the narrative their fans and/or marketing team builds around them, and partly created by the pop culture zeitgeist. The public-facing persona becomes something the public can help create, expand upon, and shape. The persona is the thing that carries meaning, that can be venerated or excoriated or projected onto. And it’s the persona, not the person, with whom we have our “relationship.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Fans rarely reach this “relationship” stage on their own. Modern-day celebrity uses the tools of intimacy to encourage fans and take their place in the culture. How much time, for example, do you spend letting your favorite podcaster or vlogger talk to you? It can be easy to <a href="https://wilwilliams.reviews/2019/01/04/podcasters-are-people-the-intimacy-of-medium-vs-parasocial-relationships/">start feeling</a> like you’re besties with people when they’re chatting at you for hours a day. Then, there’s the marketing apparatus to consider. The celebrities, or at least their PR teams, often tacitly or strategically encourage fan relationships. Witness Jin, the oldest member of the wildly popular <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/6/13/17426350/bts-history-members-explained">K-pop group BTS</a>, bizarrely having to give <a href="https://www.wvtm13.com/article/k-pop-star-hugs-fans-after-completing-mandatory-military-service/61092464">1,000 hugs to 1,000 fans</a> upon his exit from his mandatory military service last year. The media undoubtedly plays a role in this invasive culture, as well, by encouraging rampant speculation about celebrities’ private lives. (Remember <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/24102028/kate-middleton-news-royal-family-rumors-kategate-meghan-markle">Kategate</a>?)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The result of all this sticky interdependence is an increase in fans feeling entitled to pieces of their celebrities’ lives. The celebrity’s inability to control any of this is undoubtedly part of the tension around the parasocial relationship discourse.&nbsp; In many cases, even confronting the idea that an actor could be someone else outside of their professional persona can distress fans. It’s by no means only “extreme” fans who fall prey to this way of thinking. Think how many people on the internet were emotionally invested in <a href="https://www.vox.com/22663143/john-mulaney-olivia-munn-pregnant-parasocial-relationships-kylie-jenner">John Mulaney’s divorce</a> or the <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23387679/cheating-scandals-adam-levine-nia-long-try-guys-ned-fulmer">Try Guys scandal</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">These media narratives play out the way they do precisely because so many people feel an intense amount of ownership over the lives of these people they’ve never met. Trying to repair this would mean having to undo over a century of prurient media obsession with the lives of actors, performers, and other famous people, as well as the subsequent impact on individuals who fall hard for their faves. It’s just not possible.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Parasocial relationships are here to stay — so stan responsibly</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So, what’s the solution? It’s perhaps too simple to say “stan responsibly,” especially when fandom etiquette is arguably devolving faster than any of us are prepared for. But that might be the most rational way to approach the reality of parasocial relationships.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If you find yourself thinking it’s okay to share and interact with photos of celebrities in their private moments, maybe it’s time to check your level of investment in them and their life. If you find yourself getting caught up in <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23150487/zhang-zhehan-deepfake-fandom-conspiracy-theory">increasingly bizarre</a> <a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11384118/larry-stylinson-one-direction-conspiracy-theory">conspiracy theories</a> that make you seriously question what’s real and what isn’t, it’s probably time to step back before you get drawn in further.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If you have kids watching YouTube, make sure they understand the context for what they’re watching before your child starts to believe that the influencer kid she adores <a href="https://x.com/Ruesavatar/status/1944851347762749488">is her best friend</a>. If you’re convinced your favorite podcaster hung the moon, maybe temper your expectations a wee bit, just in case they backslide into weird conspiracy theories and bizarre political talking points. I’m speaking from experience on that one.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Above all, remember that parasocial relationships are more or less like all other relationships. That is, they can be fun and engaging and emotionally rewarding — but only as long as they’re managed and handled with care.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>This story was originally published in </em><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/420869/welcome-to-the-august-issue-of-the-highlight"><em>The Highlight</em></a><em>, Vox’s member-exclusive magazine. To get early access to member-exclusive stories every month, </em><a href="https://www.vox.com/support-membership?itm_campaign=article-header-Q42024&amp;itm_medium=site&amp;itm_source=in-article"><em>join the Vox Membership program today</em></a><em>.</em></p>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Wake up, babe, new wedding of the century just dropped. That’s not an exaggeration. The engagement of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, which Swift announced Tuesday via Instagram, warranted breaking news alerts from outlets ranging from the Washington Post to ESPN, and a live cutaway by Fox News from a presidential Cabinet meeting — after [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Wake up, babe, new wedding of the century just dropped.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That’s not an exaggeration. The engagement of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, which Swift <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DN02niAXMM-/">announced</a> Tuesday via Instagram, warranted breaking news alerts from outlets ranging from the Washington Post to ESPN, and a <a href="https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/breaking-fox-taylor-travis-engagement-1353082">live cutaway</a> by Fox News from a presidential Cabinet meeting — after which, reporters promptly <a href="https://x.com/cspan/status/1960413669956677922">asked the president</a> to comment on the engagement. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Swift’s post — which included photos of the two cuddling in a <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/8/3/21349640/cottagecore-taylor-swift-folklore-lesbian-clothes-animal-crossing">cottagecore</a> flower garden, like something out of a Taylor Swift song — racked up over 5 million likes within 40 minutes of dropping. From <a href="https://x.com/boneysoups/status/1960390615759196655">New York</a> to <a href="https://x.com/TheSwiftSociety/status/1960392157199532093">Mexico City</a>, fans were literally shouting in the streets.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In a world of divided attention spans and too many celebrities, it really, really doesn’t get bigger than this. Between the two of them, the newly engaged Swift and Kelce take up huge amounts of room in our collective cultural headspace — and now the two are forming an empire. With their marriage, the pair will far surpass just about any other couple you could think of in terms of their cultural reach, influence, and power.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In other words, as one X user <a href="https://x.com/habmiony/status/1960389607763403106">put it</a>, “this is gonna be bigger than prince harry and megan markle’s wedding holy shit.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While they’re both reaping the ongoing benefits of their relationship, however, the cultural fallout could pose very different risks for them both. While Kelce’s brand is tied primarily to his roles as an athlete and podcaster, Swift’s is inevitably tied to who she’s dating and how that surfaces in her music. Could that change? And what will marriage do to her music, her fandom, and to her career?</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Have we ever had a moment like this?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">America’s biggest celebrity couples are the closest thing we have to royalty, and there’s arguably no couple in recent memory that’s bigger than Taylor and Travis. She’s not only the biggest pop star of this generation, she’s “<a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/24134094/taylor-swift-tortured-poets-department-album-criticism-praise-pop-music-discourse">inevitable</a>,” even when the topic isn’t about music, but <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/opinion/taylor-swift-fault-blame.html">jet fuel or social justice</a>, <a href="https://people.com/pets/all-about-taylor-swift-cats/">cats</a> or <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/7/18/20699970/cats-trailer-musical-taylor-swift-jennifer-hudson-idris-elba-judi-dench"><em>Cats</em></a>. Meanwhile, he’s <a href="https://people.com/travis-kelce-surpasses-antonio-gates-tight-end-record-for-all-time-receiving-yards-nfl-history-8750859">one of the best tight ends in NFL history</a>, a <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23905171/travis-kelce-taylor-swift-rumors-real-fake-dating">player</a> who gets attention and respect from sports fans who might rarely think about pop divas. The two of them have driven the cultural conversation to <a href="https://www.vox.com/money/23901941/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-chiefs-eras-tour-viewers-commercials">new levels of overexposure</a> and then, somehow, remained overexposed without losing any of their combined caché. They don’t just shape what’s left of the monoculture — they <em>are</em> the only remaining monoculture.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That’s an unexpected bonus now that the time has come to obsess over the wedding. The average couple’s need for privacy means we’re usually left to guess at many of the details. In 2008, for example, Beyoncé and Jay Z <a href="https://people.com/archive/cover-story-beyonce-and-jay-z-married-vol-69-no-15/">married in secret</a>, without ever announcing their engagement. While Kanye West <a href="https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2021/01/06/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-divorce-proposal-orig-jk.cnn">proposed</a> to Kim Kardashian on camera in 2013, that event was entirely filtered through the production of <em>Keeping Up With the Kardashians</em>. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Not so with Taylor and Travis. The entirety of the couple’s two-year relationship, save for the very beginning, has <a href="https://www.eonline.com/news/1402340/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-engaged">played out in the public eye</a>, and unlike many other famous couples, they’ve seemed to easily embrace both the public performance and the relative transparency that have kept their fans on the hook.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kelce famously made Swift a friendship bracelet with his number on it, even though she didn’t accept it or speak to him at the time — which we know because he told his brother, Jason Kelce, about the move on their chatty <em>New Heights</em> podcast. That episode <a href="https://www.vanityfair.com/style/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-origin-story-bracelet">caught Swift’s attention</a>, and the rest of the story wrote itself.  While the podcast, which recently went on hiatus, primarily revolves around sports, Kelce has <a href="https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/travis-kelces-quotes-about-taylor-swift-on-new-heights-podcast/">repeatedly used it to gush about</a> what an amazing performer and supportive girlfriend Swift is. For her part, Swift has already immortalized Kelce in <a href="https://www.capitalfm.com/news/music/taylor-swift-songs-about-travis-kelce/">two songs</a> from her <em>The</em> <em>Tortured Poets</em> <em>Department</em> album, released shortly after their relationship began. In them, she praised Kelce for pursuing her and cheekily predicted, “Are you gonna marry, kiss, or kill me…I&#8217;m bettin&#8217; on all three for us two (All three).” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Two out of three sounds just fine, and now we as a culture get to collectively obsess over the upcoming nuptials. Within minutes of Swift’s Instagram post, we knew that her engagement ring was an old mine brilliant cut, designed by Artifex Fine Jewelry&#8217;s Kindred Lubeck, worth anywhere from <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15036415/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-engagement-ring-details.html">$17,000 to $5 million</a>. Fans <a href="https://x.com/tannertan36/status/1960392900082057487">joked</a> that the wedding would be “streamed on Disney+ with 4 vinyl pressings of the ceremony.” Speculation ran rampant about which of Taylor’s notable entourage of besties would make up the wedding party. Selena? Abigail? <a href="https://www.vox.com/21337354/folklore-taylor-swift-kaylor-betty-gay-lesbian-subtext"><s>Karlie</s></a>?</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Swift clearly knew how nuclear this would be: Her Insta caption, “Your English teacher and your gym teacher are getting married,” appended a stick of dynamite at the end: 🧨 While the pair didn’t include a wedding date, they likely don’t have to. It’s hard to imagine the buzz fading any time soon. </p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Why does this matter so much? And who is it ultimately for?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">One of the things that makes the Kelce/Swift alliance so successful is that they’ve both learned to balance the constant controversies that surround them — he for being on a team the public <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/397906/kansas-city-chiefs-hated-overrated-popular-super-bowl">can’t make up its mind about</a>, she for being constantly <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/15/21067331/warren-is-a-snake-hashtag-explained">thrust into</a> <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/26/20828559/taylor-swift-kanye-west-2009-mtv-vmas-explained">dramas</a> that <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2024/1/31/24057448/taylor-swift-conservatives-maga">have nothing</a> to do with her. Since they began dating, they’ve both been carefully public about the ways they strategize their relationship.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’m not running away from any of it,” Kelce told <a href="https://www.wsj.com/style/travis-kelce-chiefs-taylor-swift-relationship-413ce0d7?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAiM2T_ks6gTWKbsgwuEyhl7TQaloaSjF237QKSs769SoTfvcVw_xXJOf4GmQi8%3D&amp;gaa_ts=68ae033a&amp;gaa_sig=5FKxSzwErM9VhvKytPD-YIwt-KUOxmglwQ9s82DMhs7ZYpwJQ5qqBhNtdxqcLd2iS9-X_hb75rPjKehWP_4Emw%3D%3D">Wall Street Journal magazine</a> in 2023. “The scrutiny she gets, how much she has a magnifying glass on her, every single day, paparazzi outside her house, outside every restaurant she goes to, after every flight she gets off, and she’s just living, enjoying life. When she acts like that I better not be the one acting all strange.” Contrast that to Swift’s hyper-private previous boyfriend, the actor Joe Alwyn, and it’s easy to see why Kelce might be a breath of fresh air for both Swift and her fans. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And that’s ultimately what seems to matter most in this equation: that Swift and Kelce are happy, sure, but also that this pairing is <em>correct</em> — both for where they are in their trajectories and for where the country is in this moment. The couple bring together classic traditional Americana with a modern sensibility and aesthetic. Swift, with her <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/7/24/21337105/taylor-swift-folklore-lyrics-best-songs-rebekah-harkness">lyrical themes</a> of a simple girl always looking for a romantic man to sweep her off her feet, couldn’t have reified her own cultural tropes more effectively if she’d married an actual prince. His excellence on the field balances his affability and plainspokenness off of it; his oft-stated commitment to family and traditionalism makes him a counter to too many Swiftian exes who’ve played with her heart and given her the runaround. It also makes him the perfect foil, in an era all about <a href="https://www.vox.com/politics/410419/political-divide-men-women-economics-policy">dominant masculinity</a>, for her <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/24/16189456/taylor-swift-katy-perry-mutually-beneficial-feud-explained">sharper edges</a> and <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/1/28/21095321/miss-americana-taylor-swift-documentary-interview-lana-wilson-netflix-sundance">uneasy feminism</a>. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The massive Swiftian fandom — with some conspiratorial-minded exceptions who still hold out for reunions between Taylor and [insert ex here] — immediately embraced the engagement. “i am so unbelievably happy for taylor &amp; travis. her teenage self who believed in those whimsical, magical fairytales,” <a href="https://www.tumblr.com/tortureddpoett/792968419043655680/i-am-so-unbelievably-happy-for-taylor-travis">wrote</a> one fan, “&amp; her tortured poet self who believed that this was never going to happen must be so happy together all at once. 🥹🫶🏻”&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Taylor is one of the reasons I continue to be a hopeless romantic and believe in happy ever afters,” <a href="https://x.com/redligion/status/1960393331231392125">wrote another</a>, “so to see someone who has struggled to find love her entire life finally being cherished and cared for makes me very happy. I wish them all the best.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But while the overall tone of the day is jubilant, a lot is riding on this marriage. Swift’s music empire is just that — an empire, dominated by her immense productivity and ability to turn her personal life into songwriting magic. Over the years, Swift has found her best creative inspiration from being bitterly disappointed in the men around her. Happiness, when it comes in the form of a stable romance, has not been known to summon her best work. Her all-Alwyn album, <em>Lover</em>, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/j1s0l4/according_to_fanbase_why_was_lover_album_known_to/">remains the best example</a>, but while the two Kelce-coded songs on <em>Tortured Poets</em> are <em>fine</em>, they’re nothing to the delicious viciousness in that album’s songs about 1975 frontman <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/5/17/23726170/taylor-swift-matty-healy-dating-relationship-the-1975">Matty Healy</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So the inevitable next question is: What if? What if this is the move that manages to declaw Taylor more than any celeb scandal or intra-diva feud ever has? What if her getting the one thing her fans have always wanted for her — happiness — ironically causes her fandom to wane? </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Meanwhile, Kelce has been fending off rumors of his retirement for several seasons now, and with his podcast on hiatus it’s unclear what direction his own immense cultural influence will take. With the two of them having reached the level of omnipresence, settled into what seems to be a pretty traditional, old-fashioned relationship, it’s all too easy to see the culture roping them into broader conversations about <a href="https://x.com/mmfa/status/1960416119782518874">gender roles</a>, careers, and what empowered femininity and masculinity actually look like.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That this is a new “era” for them both seems clear. What’s less clear is where it will ultimately take us&nbsp;— because there’s no question that wherever they go, we’ll all be along for the ride.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">The first ever cheerleader — according to <a href="https://usacheer.org/cool_timeline/the-first-cheerleader">USA Cheer</a>, the governing body of American sport cheering — was a man from Minnesota. The sport was born in 1898, when a male student at the University of Minnesota spontaneously got up and led the crowd in a cheer for the football team. Men have always been a part of cheerleading; multiple US presidents, including Ronald Reagan, <a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/26270/famous-male-cheerleaders">were cheerleaders in college</a>, and male cheerleaders have been a part of the NFL sidelines for decades.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So how is it that Blaize Shiek and Louie Conn, the two male cheerleaders added to the Minnesota Vikings’ squad last May, have received such <a href="https://www.thecut.com/article/nfl-fans-upset-minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders.html">widespread backlash</a>? After a recent <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNJNyymxcDt/?">social media promo</a>, the range of people who spoke out against the Vikings for adding the duo to their squad included a <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-vikings-player-speaks-out-against-team-employing-male-cheerleaders">former Viking</a>, a <a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/lgbtq/5461726-male-cheerleaders-minnesota-vikings-nfl-tuberville-alabama/">senator</a>, and plenty of <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/fox-news-host-urges-peter-hegseth-to-take-action-with-vikings-male-cheerleader-controversy/ar-AA1KORkP">Fox News commentators</a>. Suddenly, the Vikings were being blamed for helping perpetuate, as one Instagram commenter <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DNa2TEttF-W/c/17990358425693409/">put it</a>, “the sissification of America.”&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">The team has also received plenty of support from Vikings fans and other members of the public, as well as <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/male-nfl-cheerleaders-share-support-criticism-vikings-cheerleaders/story?id=124805938">other men</a> on NFL cheer squads. Some NFL teams have seized the moment to <a href="https://6abc.com/post/eagles-have-historic-number-male-cheerleaders-vikings-squad-faces-criticism/17598709/">brag about</a> their own mixed-gender dance squads. The backlash seems to be coming from a minority here, and isn’t likely to change the NFL’s embrace of all-gender sidelines. But what’s interesting here is the timing. Men have been on NFL cheerleading teams for years. Why is this sudden groundswell of anger happening <em>now</em>?</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Alongside the Vikings backlash, social media users have also been touting viral clips of sorority rush dances, <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/08/sorority-rush-dance-maga-x/683894/">claiming them as “wins”</a> for conservative America and traditional values.&nbsp; How is it, exactly, that choreographed, celebratory group dance has become a front line, so to speak, of the culture wars around gender and sexuality?&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This movement to impose rigid gender standards and assumptions on groups of people who shake might be ahistorical, but it exemplifies the shifting boundaries of the culture wars. Conservative commentators have been in conflict with the NFL — which the Heritage Foundation declared “<a href="https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/nfl-becomes-woke-discriminatory-anti-american-institution">woke</a>” last year — and the <a href="https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/2/1/24056238/conservatives-culture-war-colleges-universities">universities</a> that house these sororities. Now, they&#8217;re looking to reclaim the sidelines — and the line dancers.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Men have already been cheerleading in the NFL for decades</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The Vikings inadvertently kickstarted the brouhaha on August 9 by posting a <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNJNyymxcDt/">lively clip</a> of their new dance squad on Instagram. The video featured Conn front and center, smiling and doing a backflip before joining the rest of the squad in their routine. Both men are dedicated dancers. Shiek has been <a href="https://www.inforum.com/sports/pro/trailblazing-male-dancer-from-fargo-earns-spot-on-vikings-cheer-squad?utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=facebook_WDAY_TV_News">dancing for a decade</a> and was part of his college dance squad at North Dakota State University. Conn just <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofYff3J7c6E">led his Iowa State team</a> to <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DIXbHjuMq2u/?">win the National Cheer and Dance Championship</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Cheerleading has always been associated with football, but its origins as a masculine hobby are often overlooked. Not only was the sport historically male-inclusive, but for decades after it began, it was <a href="https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-manly-origins-of-cheerleading-56691/">exclusively a male hobby</a>. It wasn’t until World War II, when women stepped into roles previously designated for men, that all-women cheerleading teams <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/evolution-of-cheerleading-in-photos-2020-1">became the norm</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Cheerleading was the epitome of masculinity,” <a href="https://education.ua.edu/about/directory/faculty-directory/natalie-adams/">Natalie Adams</a>, a rare cheerleading expert and author of the forthcoming book <em>Cheer Matters: Gender, Race, Sex and Belonging in an American Institution</em>, told me. “As late as 1939 at the college level, there was this premier cheerleading league that was… all male.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The early 20th-century association of cheerleading with collegiate Americana, patriotism, and athleticism has never really faded, and men have remained a part of the sport. The Baltimore Ravens have had <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h71xSl6RKA">an entire multi-gender stunt team</a>, dedicated to tumbling, lifts, and acrobatics, on the sidelines since the late ’90s. For a while, so did <a href="https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2025/08/15/men-on-the-indianapolis-colts-cheerleader-team-nfl-vikings-patriots-ravens/85677627007/">the Indianapolis Colts</a>. The Dallas Cowboys have long touted having the NFL’s only multi-gender dance and drum line, the Rhythm &amp; Blue Dancers.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In 2018, two NFL teams, the Rams and the Saints, quietly <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/us/nfl-male-dancers-trnd/index.html">added men</a> to their dance-focused cheerleading squads. The Rams took their new male dancers <a href="https://www.nfl.com/photos/rams-make-nfl-history-with-male-cheerleaders-at-super-bowl-liii-0ap3000001016123">to the Super Bowl</a> in 2019. Since then, 11 other teams around the NFL — including the Vikings, which have <a href="https://www.today.com/news/sports/minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders-response-rcna225702">had men on their squads</a> before — have joined in adding male dancers to their sidelines. In 2022, the Carolina Panthers <a href="https://www.nfl.com/news/first-openly-transgender-nfl-cheerleader-justine-lindsay-a-face-of-the-possible">welcomed</a> the NFL’s first trans cheerleader, Justine Lindsay. (She’s <a href="https://www.outsports.com/2025/8/15/24117434/justine-lindsay-trans-carolina-panthers-topcats-cheerleader/">leaving</a> to focus on pageantry work.) The Ravens currently <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DNTKrkptGa-/">brag about having 19 men</a> on their <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsCn1I5dOI">still-fire</a> stunt squad.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At the time these changes happened, they ruffled few cultural feathers. Arguably the primary reasons for that were the widespread cultural resurgence for gender equality sparked by Me Too and the loosening of gender norms that came with a greater societal embrace of the LGBTQ+ rights movement, both of which meant a few teams adding men to dance teams wasn’t a cause for concern. There were other factors, as well. Netflix&#8217;s 2020 documentary series <em>Cheer</em> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jan/09/cheer-review-absolute-proof-that-cheerleaders-are-gravity-defying-gods">sparked a wave of cultural respect</a> for cheerleading as a sport (though competitive cheer and pro-football cheer tend to be very different). The NFL, meanwhile, faced battles of a different sort: The cultural right spent those years <a href="https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17619122/kaepernick-trump-nfl-protests-2018">fixating on Colin Kaepernick</a> and Black Lives Matter protests in the sport.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And so, cultural outrage lay dormant until the Minnesota Vikings announced its new fall cheerleading lineup in 2025.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">The Vikings backlash draws lines between male and female athletes&nbsp;</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The substance of the backlash around Sheik and Conn has been focused on their masculinity, with statements and online comments that are both homophobic, and — despite the fact that both dancers are cis men — transphobic.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I don&#8217;t have anything against male cheerleaders &#8230; There have been male cheerleaders around a long time,” Fox pundit Will Cain <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/fox-news-host-urges-peter-hegseth-to-take-action-with-vikings-male-cheerleader-controversy/ar-AA1KORkP">said</a> in a segment on the backlash. “[But] if we&#8217;re really being honest, we&#8217;re talking about male cheerleaders being female cheerleaders.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While the exact meaning of Cain&#8217;s comment is unclear — again, neither male cheerleader identifies as trans or nonbinary — he seems to be referring to Conn and Sheik&#8217;s style of dance, which matches their female counterparts&#8217;. If the concern is about supposed femininity, exactly how closely should the squad&#8217;s coach police their athletes for signs of gender fluidity? Yet again, the red-blooded Dallas Cowboys have <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLXidP0i8U">had men bumping and grinding alongside women</a> on their dance team for well over a decade, and few people seem to be questioning their masculinity.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The Vikings cheer squad seem to have picked up on the transphobic subtext of the arguments against them. One squad member, Brianna Putney, has since posted <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@barb.ie67/video/7539214055869795598">a viral TikTok video</a> showing Conn and Shiek dancing alongside their squadmates in a women’s bathroom. These arguments also seem to coincide with an underlying substrain of misogyny — the idea that “real men” belong on the field while women need to remain on the sidelines. As Putney’s video suggests, it’s the blurring of those gender roles that’s the real offense.&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">To understand how this works in a sport that was once exclusively male, we have to understand that, historically, once the makeup of cheerleading changed from male-only to women-only, cheerleading itself became associated with normative ideal femininity. “Desirable characteristics for a cheerleader were things like charm, popularity, attractiveness,” Adams said, “all feminized traits … nothing about athleticism.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Where previously, male cheerleaders were seen as campus leaders who were capable of crowd control, by 1955, the role had changed. Women were seen as being incapable of leading the crowd the way men could; their presence was increasingly about being eye candy. This change solidified in 1972, when the Dallas Cowboys, which had previously had an <a href="https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/dcc-history">unofficial co-ed squad</a> of high school cheerleaders, swapped them out for a line of choreographed dancers — a move that ushered in the modern iteration of pro NFL cheerleading, catering to an audience that was assumed to be straight male by default.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://cla.purdue.edu/directory/profiles/cheryl-cooky.html">Cheryl Cooky</a>, professor of American Studies at Purdue, notes that this move coincided with the shift in thinking about football itself as not just sport, but entertainment, alongside the emergence of broadcast sports. As football became a form of cultural power during the Cold War, alongside social trends like the <a href="https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/physical-fitness">Kennedy fitness test</a>, the sport highlighted “fears around the virility of American men, and how we would compete with [world powers],” Cooky said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That militarism, still on display in football today, gets coded as masculine and conservative, while cheerleading gets coded as its feminine opposite — a stigma that arguably leads to women on professional cheerleading squads being <a href="https://www.expertinstitute.com/resources/insights/nfl-cheerleaders-face-down-league-with-wage-discrimination-litigation/">minimized, disrespected, and underpaid</a>. That’s finally changing, but those changes also threaten to destabilize the binary gender presentation that football players and cheerleaders conveniently represents. Thus, male cheerleaders who perform choreography alongside women on the squad are doing even more to disrupt the gender order in a moment where politicization of gender is extreme.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If the NFL is becoming destabilized and “woke,” then where else can we look for a reinforcement of that gender binary? Conservatives seem to have latched onto college sororities as an alternative — specifically, the sorority rush dance.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This year, multiple rush videos have gone viral in right-leaning social media corners, with posters on Twitter and other platforms <a href="https://x.com/JoeKinseyexp/status/1953535533285585053">claiming</a> both the videos and the women in them <a href="https://x.com/dogeqeen/status/1955035722924372048?s=46&amp;t=gVDCG-WIWRQsuSYMwZv8Xg">for right-wing culture</a> and <a href="https://x.com/JoeKinseyexp/status/1953172578819854562">framing them</a> as “wins” in the culture war against liberalism. There’s no solid evidence these women are politically conservative themselves (women who attend college have consistently <a href="https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2025/08/the-feminist-revolution-and-the-democratic-party/">leaned liberal</a> since the 1980s), but the wave of enthusiasm for these young, attractive women seems directly tied to the anxiety around gender in cheerleading.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“What conjures in my mind is preppy white kids going to football games, being involved in Greek life…quintessential ‘All-American,’ ‘big man on campus’ [tropes],” said Cooky. She&nbsp; argues that the trend has ties to the tradwife movement, the <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22638568/old-money-aesthetic-dark-academia-prep-tiktok-pinterest-instagram">“old money” trend</a>, and other recent <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/rise-conservative-aesthetic-nara-smith-donald-trump-tik-tok-2047877">conservative aesthetic trends</a>. If women on the NFL sidelines are demanding more equality and better pay while they perform dances for a broader audience, these sorority rush videos allow conservative men to resume the fantasy of an elegant, hot woman dancing just for them.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Who gets to dance? And why?</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Underlying these two trends is the basic question: Who gets to dance, and why? The idea seems to be that white, young, beautiful, conservative-coded women are allowed to perform for a presumed straight cisgender male audience, but only in formation and only on the sidelines. It’s also worth pointing out that when talented groups of Black women dancers go viral, they often <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/viral-majorette-dance-team-blazes-232052157.html">face backlash</a> for performing the same dance styles that many conservatives seem to now be applauding.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Cooky also argues that the larger conversation is equally about masculinity and what kind of man gets to benefit from male privilege. “It’s not just <em>that</em> [men are] dancing, it’s <em>where</em> they’re dancing,” she said. “It’s that they’re dancing within the space of football.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">She points out that nobody’s upset that there are male ballet dancers. That’s because “NFL football has this cultural dominance and visibility and capital in ways that other spaces [don’t].” Meanwhile, while other aspects of higher education are under fire, Greek life and the college football milieu arguably still represent a version of Americana to conservatives that the NFL has been steadily moving away from, which is why it’s so important to conservatives to claim them as their spaces. “These are the anchors of universities for a reason,” Cooky said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It makes sense, then, that conservatives have a vested interest in dictating who gets to dance on the football sidelines and on college campuses. Historically, after all, dance has long been used to challenge societal structures, from <a href="https://dancemagazine.com/protest-dance/">dances on protest lines</a> to <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/hairsprays-revealing-portrayal-of-racism-in-america/509741/"><em>Hairspray</em>’s interracial sock hops</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet the act of movement, of claiming bodily autonomy, of expressing joy through motion — these are all things that are extremely difficult to wrangle or restrict. Inevitably, drawing lines around who can and can’t dance only incites more of us to cut footloose.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Marc Maron says the Rogansphere has ruined comedy. Is he right?]]></title>
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			<updated>2025-08-21T20:04:22-04:00</updated>
			<published>2025-08-21T13:00:00-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[“I think if Hitler were alive today, he’d probably appear on Theo Von’s podcast,” Marc Maron jokes toward the end of his new HBO special, Panicked. He then proceeds to imitate a half-baked, drawling Von, archbishop of the dudebro podcaster, softballing questions about drug use to a hypothetical Hitler. “On our podcast,” he snarks in [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">“I think if Hitler were alive today, he’d probably appear on Theo Von’s podcast,” Marc Maron jokes toward the end of his new HBO special, <em>Panicked</em>. He then proceeds to imitate a half-baked, drawling Von, archbishop of the <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/380008/harris-trump-podcast-interviews-appearances-joe-rogan-shannon-sharpe-theo-von-call-her-daddy-flagrant">dudebro podcaster</a>, softballing questions about drug use to a hypothetical Hitler. “On our podcast,” he snarks in an earlier moment, “we can bravely speak power to truth, now that truth can no longer defend itself.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Maron <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/06/02/nx-s1-5420807/marc-maron-wtf-podcast">announced</a> he was ending his long-running, highly influential interview show <em>WTF With Marc Maron</em>, it might have seemed surprising that the comic was giving up his hard-won platform. But while the podcast&#8217;s relevance had faded, a recent take-no-prisoners press tour raised Maron’s profile again. In something like a political and cultural crusade, Maron has been explicitly calling out comedians, from stand-up comics to <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/383364/gen-z-podcasts-trump-win-joe-rogan-bros">podcast bros</a>, for ushering in the current era of fascism.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Under the umbrella of ‘anti-woke,’ we’ve lost a tremendous amount of democratic-leaning ideas and movements,” he told a visibly displeased Howie Mandel on his YouTube podcast <em>Howie Mandel Does Stuff</em>. Mandel countered that comedians didn’t have <em>that</em> much power.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Are you fucking out of your mind?” Maron shot back.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Maron continually insists that comedy drives politics, and that the current long era of “anti-woke” comedy has actively helped shift political tides to the far right. In his view, comedians and podcasters aren’t just straying from their lanes. They’re dumbing down and overtaking comedy itself — and that comedy is then shifting our cultural norms into something ugly and dangerous.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Maron’s focus is clearly on larger cultural shifts. But it&#8217;s also worth asking: is he right about the state of comedy?</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Maron has always leaned left, but it’s been a while since he’s been this outspoken</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Like many of the current biggest names in podcasting, Maron’s career begins and ends in stand-up work. After watching the ascent of <a href="https://ew.com/article/2013/05/10/marc-maron-ifc-review/">colleagues</a> in the East Village alt scene like Louis C.K. and Sarah Silverman, he became a regular on the left-leaning Air America radio network, which launched in 2004 as a counterbalance to conservative talk radio of the era. While Air America <a href="https://www.npr.org/2010/01/25/122951230/liberal-air-america-goes-off-the-air">ultimately floundered</a>, Maron used his built-in leftist network audience to kickstart a pivot into what was then the niche arena of podcasting.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When <em>WTF</em> started in 2009, it was the first major interview podcast on the scene; <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/438944/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-america-mirror-2020s-politics-truth-young-men"><em>The Joe Rogan Experience</em></a> began just three months later. Although it took a while for podcasting on the whole to become the <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/podcast-industry-is-twice-as-large-as-previously-estimated">ubiquitous phenomenon</a> it is today, Maron himself quickly gained a reputation as a surprisingly intimate interviewer, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/jun/08/marc-maron-comedian-wtf-podcast">praised</a> both for having a wide range of guests and for <a href="https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/12/14/marc_maron_and_louis_ck_on_wtf_the_story_of_the_greatest_podcast_episode.html">extracting</a>, both from them and from himself, rare levels of <a href="https://www.vulture.com/2015/06/what-made-todd-hansons-episode-of-wtf-one-of-the-most-powerful-podcast-episodes-ever.html">emotional honesty</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While Maron never exactly shied away from political topics when they came up — the comic Gallagher <a href="https://www.vulture.com/2015/11/that-time-gallagher-displayed-his-true-awfulness-and-then-stormed-out-on-marc-maron.html">walked out</a> of Maron’s garage studio when Maron confronted him about making racist and homophobic jokes — he <a href="https://www.thebeliever.net/an-interview-with-marc-maron/">consciously avoided</a> making his show a political show. Still, over the years, as politics subsumed American culture, Maron himself became more and more fed up, largely with his fellow comedians.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Following comedian Tony Hinchcliffe’s disastrous appearance at the 2024 Republican National Convention, where he spewed <a href="https://www.vox.com/politics/380818/trump-rally-puerto-rico-tony-hinchcliffe-groypers">a litany</a> of racist, misogynistic, and homophobic jokes, Maron made <a href="https://www.wtfpod.com/dispatches/the-democratic-idea">a lengthy blog post</a> on his own website. In it, he condemned “the combination of blatant racist fear mongering and the anti-woke movement” that far-right leaders were using to gain cultural and political power.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The anti-woke flank of the new fascism is being driven almost exclusively by comics, my peers,” he wrote. “When comedians with podcasts have shameless, self-proclaimed white supremacists and fascists on their show to joke around like they are just entertainers or even just politicians, all it does is humanize and normalize fascism. When someone uses their platform for that reason they are facilitating anti-American sentiment and promoting violent autocracy.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Popular podcasts, he wrote, “may be in the position to become part of the media oligarchy under the new anti-democratic government.” Maron was clearly responding to the role podcasters like Von — and their casual, jocular sitdowns with Trump and his allies — were already playing <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/380008/harris-trump-podcast-interviews-appearances-joe-rogan-shannon-sharpe-theo-von-call-her-daddy-flagrant">in the lead-up</a> to the 2024 election.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">All of this makes the timing of Maron’s decision to quit his own podcast seem significant, especially when combined with his subsequent recrimination tour. “We’re burnt out,” he told his audience in June when he broke the news that <em>WTF</em> would be ending. But if Maron was exhausted by&nbsp; the daily grind of podcast production, he’s clearly still invested in the state of comedy.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And he hasn’t stopped talking about his disenchantment with it since.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Marc Maron keeps insisting comedy is no longer good. Is he right?</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At the bullseye of Maron’s comedy dartboard sits <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/22945864/joe-rogan-politics-spotify-controversy">Joe Rogan</a>. Though the two men ascended in tandem as reigning kings of podcasting, ideologically they occupy very different spaces. (It’s worth noting that Rogan and Maron have <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzKReNaJTI">each been guests</a> on <a href="https://ogjre.com/episode/374-marc-maron">one another’s shows</a> in the past — though not lately.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In recent months, Maron has <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/marc-maron-blames-himself-rise-181248072.html">repeatedly</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_N4W05eyto">called out</a> Rogan’s <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/438944/joe-rogan-experience-podcast-america-mirror-2020s-politics-truth-young-men">cultural influence</a>, criticizing him and his podcasting community not only for platforming extremism, but for dumbing down the standards for “good” comedy.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To Mandel and his co-host Jackelyn Shultz, Maron <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2112&amp;v=nWWvaDAS4QY&amp;feature=youtu.be">suggested</a> that, previously, comedians “could disarm fears, they could elevate your perception of things,” he said. “They had the power through humor to make you see the world differently.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He contrasts that to “<a href="https://youtu.be/nWWvaDAS4QY?t=2243">hackneyed</a>” jokes about trans people and other topics that stand-up comics canvass purely for shock value. By normalizing comedy’s one “don’t” — punching down — Rogan and his fellows have, per Maron, whitewashed bullying and attacking marginalized groups who then become the real-world targets of discrimination and legalized persecution. The culture of shit-talking is “nothing but destructive,” he told Mandel.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And it’s worse than mean, it’s hack comedy. A hack isn&#8217;t just someone who tries to shock you; the hack is someone who <em>can’t</em> shock you, because you already know exactly where the joke is going to go. Hack comedy becomes its own dead end. On a recent <a href="https://youtu.be/9Lb6X-xZVco?t=329">episode</a> of <em>Bad Friends</em>, Maron made this point bluntly about Rogan and the Austin comedy scene over which he presides. At some point, Maron observed, after you’ve punched down so often, there’s nothing left to punch down against.&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s an interesting way to approach the conversation. While Maron is open about the political ramifications of this kind of comedy, making his complaints about comedy craft allows him to avoid engaging in debates about the ideology behind this kind of rhetoric.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Where he does get more explicitly political is in dissecting the “anti-woke” discourse itself. Citing the army of comedians from <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/22922007/comedy-isnt-funny-moral-joe-rogan-whitney-cummings-moses-storm-che-diaz">Rogan</a> to <a href="https://www.vox.com/22722357/dave-chappelle-the-closer-netflix-backlash-controversy-transphobic">Dave Chappelle</a> who have lined up in recent years to <a href="https://www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast/22966158/vox-conversations-david-cross-im-from-the-future">decry cancel culture</a> as an attack on free speech, Maron argues that the widespread comedy debate over this was a misdirect from the issues people <em>really</em> needed to be alarmed about.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It wasn’t a free speech problem,” he told Mandel. “It was that people were getting cultural pushback.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Maron has felt plenty of pushback himself, both over the aforementioned Theo Von joke and because of his comments about Rogan, which led to what some fans have called “<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1mn6sgj/comedian_podcaster_marc_maron_causes_a_meltdown/">a meltdown</a>” in the comedy community. Maron was quick to point out the irony.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I do think on some level that if [the anti-woke comedians are] all about free speech, and they have a sense of humor, and you’re supposed to be able to man up and take it, then if it’s funny, fuck it,” he <a href="https://youtu.be/UWIPowvRubU?t=950">told</a> <em>The Endless Honeymoon Podcast</em>.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Maron’s larger beef might just be with, well, everyone&nbsp;</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">One of Maron’s recurring complaints is a common one: Podcasting, once praised as a democratized space, has now become <em>too</em> democratized.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To Mandel, Maron <a href="https://youtu.be/nWWvaDAS4QY?t=590">griped</a> that the podcasting world has “obviously become oversaturated, and nobody ever shuts up.” The death of the monoculture and the oversaturation of podcasts about every conceivable topic, from every conceivable influencer, now leads to content that “means nothing.”&nbsp; While the explosion in podcasts has led to more freedom for more people, “that doesn’t mean that that’s a good thing,” he <a href="https://youtu.be/nWWvaDAS4QY?t=1491">told</a> the hosts.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even more destructive? The algorithm.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“There are comics doing a minute of crowd work,” Maron pointed out, referring to the recent trend of stand-ups — think <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23980945/who-is-matt-rife-netflix-special-natural-selection-backlash-controversy-tiktok">Matt Rife</a> — looking to go viral through short, TikTok-ready moments. “Chasing these clicks with no craft, no sense of originality, because all they care about is this immediate sense of relevance.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Maron laments the careers of comedians like Maria Bamford, who he recently asserted might be one of the greatest comics ever on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMiq4csPJ3X/">Vulture’s <em>Good One</em> podcast</a>. But he framed that conversation as being less about Bamford and more about “tribalized” comic fans — the Roganites — who are too small-minded to get her comedy.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So, if Maron sees podcasting as the haven of comedy and comedy as leaning worryingly toward sameness, why exactly is he giving up his own platform that he <a href="https://youtu.be/nWWvaDAS4QY?t=634">refers to</a> as &#8220;for sensitive, creative people?&#8221; By setting himself and Rogan up with an either/or dichotomy, he plays into the false idea that without <em>WTF</em>, the Roganverse will be the only thing left. It’s a limited view of the podcasting space, but it does fit Maron’s whole doom-and-gloom vibe.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“You do realize we annoyed the average American into fascism,” he tells his audience in <em>Panicked</em>, looking to share the blame. He refers to progressives as “buzzkills.” He knows that a dim view of absolutely everything necessarily has its limitations. That’s true even when it comes to comedy.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While he’s spent most of this press tour railing about the Rogansphere, he’s also sidestepped talking about the hugely popular comedy podcasts — heavy hitters like <em>Las Culturistas</em> and <em>Good Hang With Amy Poehler</em>, as well as up-and-coming shows like Caleb Hearon’s <em>So True — </em>&nbsp;that would never claim to be anti-woke. He doesn’t seem to be taking into account the <a href="https://www.vulture.com/article/new-stand-up-comedy-specials-this-month-2025.html">litany of comedians</a> whose recent specials explore a broad range of comedic storytelling and structure — exactly the kinds of things Maron says he’s missing. There are plenty of funny people out there who have never claimed to be free speech warriors; who are interested in the craft and future of being funny in public.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Maron’s aware of these entities. He recently appeared on Conan O’Brien’s mega-popular podcast <em>Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend</em> — an avowedly apolitical show that happens to have featured Michelle Obama three times — and had <em>Las Culturistas</em> co-host Bowen Yang on one of the final episodes of his own show.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He’s also not wrong that there has been a serious shift in the comedy world, with a rise in pandering, bro-y comedy after nearly two decades in which the alt scene paradoxically reigned. A sign that says “THE END IS NEAR” gets a lot more focus and attention than one that says, “Complicated and unsettling shifts in American thought are being actively reflected in my sector of the entertainment-industrial complex, and that worries me!”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Doom and gloom has its place, especially these days, but there is still some light to be found in comedy.&nbsp;</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The missing piece of Hulu’s strange new Amanda Knox docudrama]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[If ever true crime had a “household name,” that name might be Amanda Knox. Forever immortalized as an inadvertent yet infamous media darling, Knox has weathered the storm of being tried, convicted, imprisoned, freed, retried, and ultimately found innocent of the 2007 murder of her British roommate Meredith Kercher.&#160; Knox, a Seattle native, was just [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">If ever true crime had a “household name,” that name might be Amanda Knox. Forever immortalized as an inadvertent yet infamous media darling, Knox has weathered the storm of being tried, convicted, imprisoned, freed, retried, and ultimately found innocent of the 2007 murder of her British roommate Meredith Kercher.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Knox, a Seattle native, was just 20 when she briefly lived with Kercher and two other roommates in the idyllic cliffside house in Perugia, Italy, where Kercher was murdered. Despite a glaring lack of evidence against her from the start (and overwhelming evidence against the man who actually did it),<strong> </strong>Knox became a publicly reviled figure who still generates suspicion across two continents. Since her exoneration, she’s chosen to meet that suspicion head-on, participating in a <a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/10/1/13112830/amanda-knox-documentary-netflix-review">documentary</a>, <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/54440294.Amanda_Knox">writing</a> <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/03/26/nx-s1-5311607/amanda-knox-free">memoirs</a>, and <a href="https://www.vox.com/22611401/amanda-knox-story-stillwater">speaking out</a> about how the media demonized her and how the justice system nearly failed her.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">All of this has led to her newest project, <em>The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox</em>, an eight-episode Hulu docudrama created by K.J. Steinberg (<em>This Is Us</em>) and co-produced by Knox, retelling her story from her perspective. While true crime biopics are everywhere these days, there’s something particularly strange about this one, which sees Grace van Patten as a wide-eyed, winsome, fourth-wall-breaking Amanda. The show’s director, Michael Uppendahl, deliberately plays with tonal shifts, seesawing between the quirky, twee aesthetic of <em>Amelie</em>, the film Knox and her boyfriend were watching the night of the murder, and the claustrophobia of interrogation rooms and grief of tearful family meltdowns. The result is something that feels almost unholy — like <a href="https://www.vox.com/23059122/the-staircase-real-story-kathleen-peterson-murder-michael-peterson-trial-owl-theory"><em>The Staircase</em></a> meets <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/22/18634838/fleabag-season-2-review-amazon-phoebe-waller-bridge"><em>Fleabag</em></a>, two things that should probably never meet!&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As with Hulu’s other recent true crime-ish docudrama about <a href="https://www.vox.com/true-crime/405454/natalia-grace-good-american-family-hulu-series-explained">Natalia Grace</a>, <em>Twisted Tale</em> takes a granular approach to its storytelling, canvassing a huge amount of detail even as the narrative spans years. It also takes on a very close point of view through Knox’s perspective — which may explain why the narrative glosses over one of the most well-known aspects of this case: If this tale is twisted, who exactly twisted it?</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Whatever you think you know about this case, you don’t know the half</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Because we rarely shift out of Knox’s viewpoint in <em>Twisted Tale</em>, many of the more famous aspects of the case become offstage concerns. The media’s obsession with “Foxy Knoxy” — the main lens through which most Americans would have absorbed the Amanda Knox story — gets reduced to a passing remark between unnamed journalists. The <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/the-knox-watchers-meet-the-people-who-are-obsessed-with-amanda-knox-s-fate-2124415.html">public’s obsession</a> with the case is also kept firmly at arm’s length; fictional Amanda doesn’t even open the hordes of <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1030042/I-got-23-fan-letters-guys-today-Foxy-Knoxys-disturbing-diary.html">fan mail</a> she receives in prison.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The elevation of so many personal details and relationships inevitably leads to the fast-tracking of many other details about the case, including years of pretty bonkers information about the investigation, prosecution, and ongoing media frenzy. The result is that casual viewers, and even viewers who think they already know where this is headed, might be left frantically Googling case facts to convince themselves they just heard that correctly.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Spoiler: You did.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, in Italy, <a href="https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/41333/chapter/352360151">the prosecutor also runs the police investigation</a>. Yes, the prosecutor in this case, Giuliano Mignini (Francesco Acquaroli), had an <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2011/10/04/amanda-knox-freed-prosecutor-of-perugias-bizarre-conduct-bordered-on-criminal-observers-say/">obsession</a> with sexual morals and occult conspiracies. Yes, he decided that Knox, her eight-day boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito (Giuseppe De Domenico), and a local named Rudy Guede,  the man who <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-244620/">actually murdered</a> Kercher, had all killed her together. His theory? The group participated in a sex game (“<a href="https://www.newsweek.com/amanda-knox-netflix-murder-sex-mystery-italy-505071">gioco erotico</a>”) and <a href="https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/amanda-knox-stabbed-meredith-kercher-to-death-in-satanic-ritual-z2358qlbjhc">satanic ritual acts together</a> that led to Kercher’s murder. (Knox <a href="https://famous-trials.com/amanda-knox/2635-guede-s-taped-skype-conversation">barely knew</a> Guede, and Sollecito had <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/amanda-knox-was-scene-murder-convicted-killer-rudy-guede-n501861">never even met</a> him.) </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, the prosecutor, Mignini, decided a woman must have killed Meredith Kercher <a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/story-behind-amanda-knoxs-trial-over-housemates-murder/5DS25JX4KL7H7ROXAU7BSQBOMM/">because her body had been covered with a blanket</a>. Yes, he, the investigators, the public, and the <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14081993/Actors-recreate-infamous-Amanda-Knox-Raffaele-Sollecito-kiss-murder-Meredith-Kercher-locals-kick-disrespectful-filming-TV-series-Perugia.html">press</a> all decided from the outset that Knox was guilty because she <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/14/meredith-kercher-trial">kissed her boyfriend</a> while standing outside the crime scene.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, Mignini <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/04/knox-acquittal-only-possible-verdict">also pursued</a> an occult conspiracy theory in the case of the “<a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-serial-killer-cold-case-new-dna-mysterious-murders-couples/">Monster of Florence</a>.” After accusing <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monster-of-florence-amanda-knox-prosecutors-satanic-theories-rejected-by-judge/">20 people</a> of being involved in occult acts related to those murders, Mignini was reprimanded by the courts and convicted of abusing his office by improperly wiretapping some of the suspects. That conviction, however, was overturned on a technicality, so Mignini continued to investigate and prosecute cases — including the murder of Meredith Kercher.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, Knox claims she really was coaxed into <a href="https://www.westsideseattle.com/robinson-papers/2009/03/02/knox-says-cop-misread-yoga-move">doing yoga poses at the police station</a>. Yes, the police really <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/amanda-knox-murder-slander-trial/681457/">interrogated her</a> for five days while barely allowing her to sleep, hitting her when she gave answers they disliked. This went on until she coughed up a false confession that was then successfully used to <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/europe/amanda-knox-slander-conviction-upheld-italy-intl-latam">convict her</a> of slandering the innocent man the police had pressured her to implicate.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, authorities really <a href="https://www.eonline.com/news/796747/all-the-things-you-forgot-about-the-twisted-tale-of-amanda-knox">lied to her and told her she had contracted HIV</a> in order to get her to give them information about her sexual history. Yes, several of Knox’s friends really testified about her awkward behavior at her 2009 trial. “Sometimes she had unusual attitudes, like she would start doing yoga while we were speaking, or she would play guitar while we were watching TV,” her roommate Filomena Romanelli <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29071255">testified</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While Mignini’s occult theory was barred from trial, the Satanic Panic of it all continued to influence the media, the public, and the prosecution. Italian lawyers were allowed to refer to Knox in court as “<a href="https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/amanda-knox-revisited/">Luciferina</a>,” “<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/26/amanda-knox-enchanting-witch">enchanting witch</a>,” and “<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/26/us-italy-knox-idUSTRE78P27Y20110926/">she-devil</a>.” The list of tabloid nicknames for her was <a href="https://www.gawkerarchives.com/everything-amanda-knox-has-been-called-in-uk-and-us-tab-485779472">much longer</a> and just as absurd.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Fortunately for Knox and Sollecito, the actual evidence that they did it was almost nonexistent, and the prosecution’s DNA evidence <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/forensic-experts-in-amanda-knox-appeal-reject-key-dna-evidence/">fell completely apart</a> due to evidence contamination and a botched handling of the crime scene. Guede, meanwhile, left his DNA everywhere.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Because there was so much legal wrangling that happened offscreen and out of sight, you might understandably be confused about whether Knox and Sollecito actually got exonerated or not.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes, and no. After Knox’s first trial in 2009, she was <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/archival-video-amanda-knox-sentenced-26-years-2009-42426570">sentenced</a> to 26 years in prison, Sollecito to 25. In 2011, they won a successful appeal — the decision that freed them both — but that appeal was overturned in 2013 and a new hearing found them guilty again. In <em>that</em> verdict, the court actually <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-frightened-guilty-verdict-28-year-sentence/story?id=22295682">increased</a> Knox’s sentence to 28 years.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Neither were required to return to Italy to serve this time, however, and in 2015, the case was appealed to the Italian supreme court, which <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/europe/italy-court-amanda-knox">overturned this conviction</a> and acquitted them both once and for all, citing “glaring errors” and “investigative amnesia” among other reasons.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This overturned conviction often gets framed as an exoneration. However, she still <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c877vp7v6lxo">stands guilty</a> of slandering her former boss, Patrick Lumumba, as a result of her false confession.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Guede was initially <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59388718">sentenced</a> to 30 years, but ultimately <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/rudy-guede-man-who-murdered-meredith-kercher-released-from-jail-in-italy">served just 13 years</a> before his release. He still claims he was innocent and that Amanda Knox was the culprit — and for years, many <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15159828">Italians</a> and British citizens <a href="https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/8507-brits-knox-guilty-americans-not-sure">believed him</a>. Even today, despite the general shift in public sentiment in the US, many people still <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/l35558/do_you_think_amanda_knox_is_guilty/">argue fiercely</a> that Knox was guilty, based on little more than vibes.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>The problem of centering Amanda Knox</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">One side effect of this dramatization is that like many true crime dramas, it reduces real people into characters in ways that feel uneven and unsatisfying. The intermittent attempts to return to talking about Meredith feel shallow; after all, Amanda only knew her for <a href="https://www.ideastream.org/2025-03-26/why-amanda-knox-returns-to-italy-and-how-she-talks-with-her-daughter-about-injustice">a few weeks</a>. This series argues unequivocally that Meredith and Amanda were both victims — but while centering the victim has become a true crime watchword, centering Meredith in Amanda’s story is easier said than done.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then there’s the “character” of Amanda herself. On the one hand, the decision not to water down her tendency to be flippant, glib, or socially awkward at the worst times is a smart one, since this is exactly what the media attacked her for to begin with. On the other hand, she’s a frustrating ingénue. Her knowing looks at the camera start out annoying and have diminishing returns. Her family members ultimately seem more fazed by her imprisonment than she does. By the time she finds herself on a mystical visit to the Innocence Project, where <a href="https://www.uc.edu/news/articles/2018/09/n201659.html">an encounter</a> with fellow exoneree Antoine Day leads to her awakening as a justice advocate, you can be forgiven if, while wallowing in sympathy, you are just a little tired of this girl.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The decision to present Amanda directly to the viewer without the filter of a damning media lens is arguably a smart choice — but it creates a gap in Amanda’s version of the story. After all, the way the press chose to cover the case at home and abroad may have played a bigger role than anything else in putting Amanda in prison.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>The biggest absence in Knox’s narrative are, perhaps, the people who put her there</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To understand the real impact the media had on the trial of Amanda Knox, it’s crucial to understand that <a href="https://scottsigman.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2011/11/3-2012-Trial-of-Amanda-Knox-Highlights-Deff-bet-US-Italy-Legal-Sys.pdf">Italian juries aren’t sequestered</a> during the trial proceedings. That means that both before and during the trial, they have access to the media’s coverage of the case. Experts close to the case have <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-knox-case-puts-spotlight-on-italys-courts/">argued</a> that this media exposure was the single biggest reason for Knox and Sollecito being convicted.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We do see one such journalist in action, but only after Knox has finally been cleared of guilt — when she sits down for <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/justice/amanda-knox-interview">a 2013 CNN interview with Chris Cuomo</a>, who proceeds to challenge her innocence and hound her about why Italian investigators were so convinced she’d been involved in sex games. Because this comes after Knox is free, it doesn’t speak to the real role of the media; it fails as a clue to how we got here.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Contrast this with the 2016 Netflix documentary <a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/10/1/13112830/amanda-knox-documentary-netflix-review"><em>Amanda Knox</em></a>, in which <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adailymail.co.uk+%22amanda+knox%22&amp;newwindow=1&amp;sca_esv=bf242ef3a2c390d8&amp;udm=14&amp;sxsrf=AE3TifOVVvAtJdPdEnlB2hFSICDzcR96nw%3A1754944609747&amp;source=lnt&amp;tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2007%2Ccd_max%3A2010&amp;tbm=">prolific</a> Daily Mail journalist Nick Pisa proudly gave a master class in villainy. Pisa was the one who coined the nickname “Foxy Knoxy”; in the doc, he compared his front-page bylines about her to having sex. He was blithe about never fact-checking the things he wrote about her before sending articles off to his editors, and gave quotes on the record that would leave any reputable journalist open-mouthed.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I think now, looking back, some of the information that came out was just crazy really, it’s just completely made up,” Pisa <a href="https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/tv-shows/nick-pisa-the-real-villain-of-amanda-knox-documentary/news-story/486cd599b475ec630148cc10e0272b66">stated</a> at one point.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In one interview years after her first trial, Pisa <a href="https://youtu.be/PF2CMSf61N4?t=119">brought up</a> a purely innocent incident on Knox’s part — she wore a Beatles T-shirt to trial — as a reason why prosecutors and “the media” painted her as suspicious. He failed to mention that he had been the one <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1145682/All-need-love-Foxy-Knoxy-gives-Valentine-T-shirt-message-murder-court.html">writing about the T-shirt</a> to begin with.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">By keeping all of that irresponsible scheming at bay, we miss a vital piece of the convoluted puzzle that led to Knox and Sollecito becoming such easy targets. It wasn’t <em>just</em> that Mignini was “<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/04/knox-acquittal-only-possible-verdict">prey to delirium</a>” or that the police had an <a href="https://theweek.com/articles/498778/did-amanda-knox-fair-trial">anti-American bias</a>. It was that Amanda herself was vulnerable to a media that craved a villainess. She was “<a href="https://unherd.com/2025/03/amanda-knox-creeps-us-out/">creepy</a>,” “<a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/amanda-knox-explains-bizarre-behavior-2013-5">weird</a>,” “<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/europe/amanda-knox-italy-justice-festival-intl">inappropriate</a>.” Above all, she was the one thing an innocent girl is never allowed to be: <em>easy</em>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It wasn’t the crime itself,” Frank Bruni <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/opinion/sunday/bruni-sexismand-the-single-murderess.html">wrote</a> for the New York Times in 2013. “It was the supposed conspiracy of her libido, cast as proof that she was out of control, up to no good, lost, wicked, dangerous. A girl this intent on randy fun was a girl who couldn’t be trusted and got what was coming to her, even if it was prison.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s understandable that the media might have been squarely in the periphery of Amanda&#8217;s perspective as she experienced the events that unfolded in Perugia, and that this might shape her version of the story. But if she wasn’t focused on them, they were certainly focused on her. Without their influence, this <em>Twisted Tale</em> might have untangled itself much sooner.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none"><em><strong>Editor’s note, July 23, 2025, 1:45 pm ET:</strong> On July 23, Bryan Kohberger was sentenced to life in prison, having pled guilty to all four murders. With the deal, he avoided the death penalty but also waived his right to appeal. When asked to give a statement, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/07/23/us/kohberger-idaho-murders">Kohberger told the court</a>, “I respectfully decline,” seemingly sealing his decision not to explain his motive.</em> <em>The story below was originally published on July 14.</em></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Bryan Kohberger <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/02/us/bryan-kohberger-murders-plea-deal">entered a guilty plea</a> on July 2 in the case of <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/1/6/23542578/idaho-student-murders-latest-updates-arrest-affidavit-dna">four murdered Idaho students</a>, it brought an abrupt conclusion to one of the biggest true crime sagas in decades, but it has arguably left the public with more questions than answers. Soon, a new wave of true crime content, including two documentaries and a major book co-written by James Patterson, will attempt to answer those questions.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kohberger’s trial, previously scheduled to begin in August, would likely have surfaced much more information regarding the killings of Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves, Madison “Maddie” Mogen, and Xana Kernodle — students at the University of Idaho in small-town Moscow, Idaho, slaughtered in a late-night off-campus home invasion so horrific that it instantly became global news.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Years of delays in the journey to trial, paired with strict ongoing <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bryan-kohberger-case-judge-leaks-idaho-student-murders/">gag orders</a> in the case, have meant that even three years later, most of what we know about the crime still comes from the initial <a href="https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2023-01-05/probable-cause-affidavit-in-case-of-university-of-idaho-murders-released">probable cause affidavit</a> filed against Kohberger prior to his arrest in December 2022, about six weeks after the murders took place on November 13. (He was charged, and eventually pleaded guilty, to four counts of first-degree murder and one count of burglary.) Since then, other pieces to the puzzle have been filled in primarily from anecdotal reports shared by friends and family of the Idaho Four and Kohberger, as well as clues gleaned unofficially from social media accounts and occasional investigation leaks.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The end result is that while the public can play connect-the-dots with much of the information surrounding the Moscow murders, the biggest question of all — why? — remains unanswered.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Here’s a look at what we know so far, what we’re likely to learn from upcoming media in the case, and what’s next for the players in this awful saga.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Why Kohberger pleaded</strong> guilty<strong>: He was out of moves</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Given that Kohberger staunchly maintained his innocence for nearly three years, his sudden reversal might have come as a surprise to anyone not following the court proceedings closely. In fact, it may have been inevitable.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">After stalling the judicial process for years, Kohberger’s defense team had swiftly been running out of plays following a series of judicial rulings <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-college-killings-judge-sides-prosecution-key-rulings/story?id=120957636">favoring the prosecution</a> and limiting the defense’s strategies. These included the court <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/17/us/bryan-kohberger-idaho-killings-suspect-alibi">rejecting a potential alibi defense</a> — with Judge Steven Hippler ruling that Kohberger’s claim to have been driving around looking at the stars during the time of the murders was not actually an alibi — and rejecting a potential alternate suspect defense, with Hippler dismissing the defense’s coterie of alternate perpetrators as “<a href="https://abc7ny.com/post/jury-bryan-kohberger-trial-hear-defense-theory-another-killer-idaho-college-murders-judge/16861564/">rank speculation</a>.” With few other moves left, Kohberger faced a mountain of overwhelming evidence, including his DNA on the knife sheath left at the crime scene, phone records tracking him at the location and across town the night of the crime, and a recently revealed second eyewitness, a <a href="https://people.com/bryan-kohberger-eyewitness-doordash-driver-testify-trial-11761010">Door Dash driver</a> who delivered a meal to Xana Kernodle and claims to have seen Kohberger at the 1122 King Road address just before the murders.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Kohberger’s guilty plea — which prosecutors <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/bryan-kohberger-plead-guilty-counts-idaho-college-murders/story?id=123356808">shared directly</a> with the victims’ families before the <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-plea-deal/">news broke</a> on June 30 — allows him to avoid the death penalty. His sentencing hearing is scheduled for&nbsp;July 23, where, per the terms of the agreement, he will receive four consecutive life sentences on the murder counts and the maximum penalty of 10 years on the burglary count. But while avoiding a trial means avoiding trauma for witnesses and victims’ families, not everyone is happy about this outcome. The family of Kaylee Goncalves, in particular, has been <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/dad-of-bryan-kohberger-victim-apology/">vocal in their displeasure</a> that Kohberger will not have to stand trial or face the death penalty, though other victims’ families, including that of Goncalves’s lifelong best friend Mogen, have <a href="https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/2025-07-03/kohberger-family-reactions-guilty-plea-boise-ada-prosecutor">stated their support</a> for the plea deal.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Onlookers hoping that Kohberger’s plea deal might yield some new insight were left disappointed when his <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/02/us/bryan-kohberger-murders-plea-deal">plea hearing</a> included no additional admissions from Kohberger about why he committed the crime, whether he premeditated any or all of the acts, or why he apparently chose to leave the two remaining housemates, Bethany Funke and Dylan Mortensen, alive.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the absence of any official answers, and without a trial to provide them, the public will instead be getting a deluge of new media about the case, most of it releasing in mid-July, originally intended to drop just before Kohberger’s trial. Instead, what we have left is a fairly broad spectrum of journalism around the case, ranging from investigative reporting via <em>Dateline</em> to interview-heavy streaming documentaries from Amazon and Peacock to classic true crime narrative nonfiction via mega-bestseller Patterson and his co-writer, British journalist Vicky Ward. Additionally, media outlets have asked the judge to <a href="https://nypost.com/2025/07/10/us-news/judge-urged-to-remove-gag-order-on-kohberger-case-following-murder-plea/">lift the remaining gag orders in the case</a>, so that witnesses and authorities who have been banned from speaking until the trial might finally have a chance to do so.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The lack of a trial “makes it all the more consequential,” Patterson’s publicist told me in an email. “The book now is the only chance people will get to delve into what happened that night.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">What <em>did</em> happen that night? Here’s what we know so far, and what we’re likely to learn from July’s new onslaught of updates.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>What’s new: Perspectives from the victims’ families and friends — and chilling insight into Kohberger</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During the six-week national manhunt for the perpetrator, the roommates, friends, boyfriends, ex-boyfriends, and family members of the Idaho Four were put through the ringer in terms of public scrutiny and speculation. The new cache of media puts this community front and center and allows them to talk about their experiences. Among them is <a href="https://www.primevideo.com/region/na/detail/0MML4JQD4SOZLFUHYOZ1UX8RE7"><em>One Night in Idaho: The College Murders</em></a>, a new Amazon Prime docuseries released on July 11,&nbsp; co-directed by documentarian Liz Garbus, who more recently helmed <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/407536/why-some-victims-of-the-long-island-serial-killer-may-never-receive-justice">a documentary</a> about the Gilgo Beach killer for Netflix.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Over four 60-minute episodes, Garbus and her co-director Matthew Galkin focus on the stories of the victims’ friends and families, including heartbreaking details from family interviews, like Ethan Chapin’s siblings — now the remaining two triplets — spending their last night with him together at <a href="https://abc7ny.com/post/idaho-college-murders-ethan-chapins-siblings-recall-arriving-crime-scene-kaylee-goncalves-dad-blasts-plea-deal/16904174/">a sorority formal</a> just hours before his death. A second documentary for Peacock, <a href="https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/the-idaho-student-murders"><em>The Idaho Student Murders</em></a>, premiered the day after Kohberger pleaded guilty. It similarly gathers friends and family together to remember Ethan, Kaylee, Maddie, and Xana while opening up about their own trauma and loss.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then there’s <a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/james-patterson/the-idaho-four/9780316572859/"><em>The Idaho Four</em></a>: <em>An American Tragedy</em>, the book by Ward and Patterson, due out today. While Patterson co-authors the book, it’s Ward who has done the bulk of the investigation, conducting hundreds of interviews in and around Moscow, as well as Kohberger’s home back in the Poconos region of Pennsylvania. The book is a true deep-dive into the case and the context of the murders — as much as any book can be while still obeying the court gag order. Ward spends time early on laying out the complicated dynamics of the King Road friends group, and what a large, interconnected community the four were a part of — a community that was absolutely shattered in the wake of the crime.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While all of this is an important piece of the story, it’s only half. One of the most striking things about the Idaho murders is that the motives of the suspect have, up until now, been largely opaque. What little we know about Kohberger has come mainly from his turbulent academic history. Once a star criminology student who studied under premier true crime writer and forensic psychologist Katherine Ramsland (who recently <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/us/kohberger-serial-killer-teacher-ramsland.html">opened up about Kohberger</a> for the very first time in the New York Times), Kohberger moved to Pullman, Washington, near Moscow, Idaho, in the fall of 2022 to do his doctorate at the Washington State University. After becoming a teaching assistant, however, he quickly bottomed out. Over the course of one semester, he was <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/idaho-murders-kohberger-fired-wsu.html">reprimanded, then fired</a> for reportedly grading students too harshly and getting into an altercation with his supervising professor during a performance review. Just over a week after Kohberger was placed on a performance improvement plan, the murders took place.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Still, apart from his academic spiral, up until very recently, there’s been little indication of what, if anything, could have prompted Kohberger’s actions. Even Ramsland, veteran author of books on serial killer psychology, told the New York Times that at first she doubted he could possibly be the culprit.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Recent insight <a href="https://www.chronline.com/stories/judge-orders-probe-in-information-leak-on-nbc-dateline-episode-about-bryan-kohberger,381037">leaked from the investigation to <em>Dateline</em></a> for a May episode of the show, however, shows that Kohberger had an incriminating search history, including searches for pornography with the keywords “drugged” and “passed out.” He also searched for serial killers like Ted Bundy, though as a criminologist, that might be excusable. Less excusable, however: <em>Dateline</em>’s reveal that according to cell tower records, Kohberger had been in the vicinity of King Road no less than 23 times in four months.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>The Idaho Four</em> leans into the idea of Kohberger as an obsessive with dark tendencies. One source — the father of a childhood friend — alleges in the book that as a teen, Kohberger stalked him over a long period of time, frequently breaking into his house and stealing small items that belonged to him. Multiple sources recount Kohberger’s harsh and condescending treatment of female students and his difficulty interacting with women.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Patterson and Ward also hammer home the many similarities between Kohberger and the 2014 Isla Vista mass shooter Elliot Rodger, the patron antihero of <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/4/16/18287446/incel-definition-reddit">the misogynistic incel movement</a>. There’s very little direct evidence that Kohberger was influenced by Rodger, but Ward (who has <a href="https://nypost.com/2025/07/03/us-news/bryan-kohbergers-eerie-similarities-to-elliot-rodger/">written about this theory elsewhere</a>) and Patterson draw out every similarity they can, all but implying that Kohberger intentionally styled his murders after the notorious woman hater. There’s been no official confirmation or indication that Kohberger was consciously imitating Rodger.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>What we may never really know: Why?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even factoring in Kohberger’s alleged misogyny, though, none of that exactly answers the question: Why <em>these</em> four students? There’s no evidence that any of the students in the King Road circle knew Kohberger at all. Yet almost since the crimes unfolded, informal suspicion has fallen on Kohberger as being fixated on Maddie Mogen in particular. The most compelling reason for this is that, according to victims’ family and friends, an account believed to belong to Kohberger had allegedly <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-student-murders-bryan-kohberger-followed-victims-on-instagram-says-family/">previously liked and followed Mogen’s Instagram posts</a>. Authorities <a href="https://people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-followed-idaho-victims-instagram/">reportedly confirmed</a> that an Instagram account belonging to Kohberger followed the accounts of all three of the women he killed.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">At the plea hearing, prosecutors <a href="https://people.com/bryan-kohberger-murder-details-how-he-got-inside-who-he-targeted-revealed-in-court-11765624">confirmed</a> that when Kohberger broke into the King Road house he went directly upstairs to Mogen’s room, where he also encountered Goncalves. While this still isn’t as satisfying as a confession with a motive coming from Kohberger himself, the implication is that Kohberger had his sights set on Mogen. Her room was easily visible from the street and adjacent parking lots. She was an exposed and vulnerable target.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And so, Goncalves, who no longer even lived at the house but was <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-murdered-idaho-student-kaylee-goncalves-say-was-preparing-move-rcna65727">visiting</a> her best friend, and Chapin and Kernodle, who appear to have been awakened by the struggle upstairs in Mogen’s room, were likely all collateral damage. We may never know why Kohberger spared their roommate Dylan Mortensen, who exited her room and made eye contact with a masked man in a hoodie, with only his eyes and infamous “bushy eyebrows” visible as he walked past her out of the apartment, nor their downstairs roommate, Bethany Funke.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The event — the cruel and seemingly random killing of young people near a college campus, as if ripped from a slasher movie — is almost impossible to comprehend as real life, which was also true as it was unfolding. Once Mortensen, in a panic, ran downstairs to join Funke, the two decided that she must have been exaggerating the whole event. (Mortensen <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/06/us/idaho-student-murders-roommates-texts.html">told investigators</a> she had been drunk at the time and unsure if what she’d seen had even been real.) Not even later, as the two of them gradually realized over the course of the next morning that something was very strange, did the two survivors understand what had happened in their house. Not even as they were <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuxHsaT8tgM">calling 911</a>, passing the phone around to their equally confused friends.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even three years later, it’s difficult to understand anything that happened that night in Moscow. The more we learn, the more it becomes clear that no answer will ever truly bring a satisfying end to a truly haunting case.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">With 260 casualties and only one surviving passenger, the Air India 171 crash is one of the deadliest aviation incidents in recent history — and so far it’s proving to be one of the most frustratingly opaque.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWoDOkyMuh0">Video of the June 12 incident</a> had previously captured the Boeing 787 taking off successfully from Ahmedabad bound for London, only to rapidly descend, crash into a medical college complex, and explode into flames. The crash killed all but one of the plane’s 242 occupants. It also damaged five buildings, killed 19 people on the ground, and injured over 60 more.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The weeks that followed saw <a href="https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-insight/story/air-india-flight-ai171-the-crowd-sourced-quest-for-answers-after-a-tragic-crash-2745483-2025-06-24">rampant speculation</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/air-india-plane-crash-ai-generated-fake-reports-videos-spreading-misinformation-fraudsters-exploiting-vulnerability/articleshow/122202668.cms">AI-generated hoaxes</a>, and <a href="https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/india/ahmedabad-plane-crash-causes-flood-of-conspiracy-theories-charges-against-boeing-on-social-media-s7xub62d">conspiracy theories</a>. Finally, on <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/07/11/us/air-india-crash-report.html">July 11</a> India’s air safety organization, the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), issued a <a href="https://aaib.gov.in/What's%20New%20Assets/Preliminary%20Report%20VT-ANB.pdf">preliminary report</a> into the cause of the disaster. The 15-page report pinpointed a dark and disturbing factor as the reason for the crash: Shortly after takeoff, someone or something cut the flow of fuel to both engines, almost simultaneously. This caused a brief but fatal dual engine shutdown that proved impossible for the plane to recover from.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The implications of that double shutdown are quite bleak — but there’s still a lot we don’t know.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>What caused the crash?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the weeks following the tragedy, public speculation about the potential cause ranged from a bird strike to an electrical problem; some suggested fuel contamination, others a malfunction with the wing flaps. Many focused on what seemed to have been an extreme occurrence suggested by the visibility of the <a href="https://skybrary.aero/articles/ram-air-turbine-rat">Ram Air Turbine (RAT)</a>, which deploys when there are engine problems: a total engine failure.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Over on YouTube, many analyzed the crash, including some pilots. Among them was <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-k-smith/">Trevor Smith</a>, call sign “Hoover,” a former military pilot who now flies for a commercial airline. On the side, he runs the YouTube crash analysis channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@pilot-debrief">Pilot Debrief</a>. Following the Air India crash, he <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIgnR0zw3FU&amp;t=970s&amp;ab_channel=PilotDebrief">emphasized</a> what seemed to be the dual loss of thrust to both engines, and speculated that perhaps one engine had lost thrust for an unknown reason and that then one of the pilots had accidentally turned off the fuel control switch to the other engine, causing both to lose thrust.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Smith was hypothesizing a scenario in which at least one engine had been lost due to a mechanical failure, and an overwhelmed pilot mistakenly deactivated the other engine. The preliminary report, however, was more grim. It rejected all of those possibilities and instead pointed firmly toward a simple but unthinkable event: <em>Both</em> engines were shut down, first one and then the other, by way of the fuel control cutoff switch.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In most Boeing airplanes, the flow of fuel to the engines gets activated via two fuel control switches. In the Boeing 787, the jet fuel control switches sit in the main console of the aircraft just below the throttles (which are used to control thrust power). The fuel switches are not easy to engage by accident; they have a built-in <a href="https://www.reuters.com/graphics/INDIA-CRASH/TIMELINE/xmvjelqwlpr/">spring-loaded</a> locking mechanism that requires anyone using them to first pull up on the knobs, turn them slightly, and then maneuver them up or down into the position you want — a bit like a safety-proof lid on a pill bottle. Additionally, two raised metal guards on either side of the two switches protect against accidental bumping or jostling.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/07/GettyImages-951922648_withMarkup.png?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0.24875621890547,100,99.502487562189" alt="A captioned photo of a Boeing 787 console showing the fuel control switches set to the “cutoff” position, with captions pointing out the location of the switches and the protective guards on either side." title="A captioned photo of a Boeing 787 console showing the fuel control switches set to the “cutoff” position, with captions pointing out the location of the switches and the protective guards on either side." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="The console of a Boeing 787. | Paige Vickers; Vox/Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Paige Vickers; Vox/Getty Images" />
<p class="has-text-align-none">There were no historical issues with the switches on this particular 787, and that section of the console had been refurbished as recently as 2023. Additionally, following the crash, other Air India Boeings were inspected, and <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/air-india-finds-no-issues-with-fuel-switches-on-other-boeings-after-crash">no fuel switch issues</a> were found with any of them. In a second inspection, Air India reportedly <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/world/europe/air-india-crash-report-boeing.html">found no issues</a> with the locking mechanisms on the switches either.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This crucial context underscores both the reliability of the switches — they were functioning normally with no problems — and the guardrails that were in place to protect against any associated mishaps. With the metal guards and the locking mechanisms, it would be all but impossible for an accident to knock both switches into the cutoff position, especially at the same time.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And yet what we know from the preliminary report is that the fuel cutoff switches were somehow switched from “run” to “cutoff” — from “on” to “off,” effectively. They were moved immediately after the airplane lifted off the ground and reached its maximum takeoff speed of 180 knots, or about 207 miles per hour. In a follow-up analysis video, Smith <a href="https://youtu.be/cuwtgnnmqIA">mapped out</a> the timeline provided in the report, emphasizing that the two switches were turned off in quick succession, just a second apart — a short gap that makes sense, he noted, if someone were to move their hand from one switch to another.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Without a fuel supply, the engines immediately lost power. The RAT began supplying hydraulic power to the plane a few seconds after the fuel was cut off. A few seconds after this, one or both pilots realized what had happened. They placed the switches back into the correct position about nine seconds after they were moved. The engines began to restart, but by the time they had recovered, it was already too late.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Initial media reports <a href="https://avweb.com/aviation-news/air-india-pilot-issued-mayday-thrust-not-achieved/">claimed</a> that whichever pilot made the mayday call to air traffic control had stated, “Thrust not achieved,” as the explanation for the call shortly before losing contact. However, the investigative report didn’t include this statement, and recordings from the cockpit have not been made public.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">What we do know is that according to the preliminary report, “one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off [the fuel]. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.”&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>So was the cutoff done intentionally?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The preliminary report has drawn <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3lpdqp7x3o">criticism for its vagueness</a>, and for the lack of a direct transcript of the aforementioned moment from the cockpit recorder. The AAIB has also drawn fire for its decision not to issue any safety guidelines as a result of the early stages of its investigation. However, the report was clear that the investigation is ongoing, and multiple pilots associations have <a href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/now-international-federation-of-pilots-also-says-ai-171-report-raises-questions-provides-no-answers/articleshow/122489273.cms">cautioned against speculating</a> before all the facts are known.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Still, through its inclusion of the cockpit exchange, the preliminary report indicates that one pilot realized the switches had been manually moved and questioned the other pilot about it before moving the switches back into the “run” position. Given the virtual impossibility of an accidental dual cutoff, and the extreme unlikelihood of a dual engine shutdown being caused by any other issue, the pilot’s implied assumption in the moment that his colleague had manually moved the switches himself seems reasonable.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Following the report’s release, the Wall Street Journal reported that the investigation was intensifying its <a href="https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/air-india-crash-senior-pilot-eab72db5">focus on the captain, 56-year-old Sumeet Sabharwal</a>. As the pilot monitoring, Sabharwal would likely have had his hands free during the takeoff, while the first officer, Clive Kunder, 32, would have been busy actually flying the plane.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">According to the Journal, the exchange referenced in the preliminary report involved Kunder querying Sabharwal about why the captain had moved the switches. In the following moments, Kunder “expressed surprise and then panicked” while Sabharwal “seemed to remain calm.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Of course, without video of the moment, and without knowing more about the closely held details of the investigation thus far, it’s difficult to know what the situation in the cockpit truly was. It’s possible that Kunder’s panic and Sabharwal’s calm reflected nothing more than their respective level of career experience.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As <a href="https://www.thecut.com/article/pilots-react-the-rehearsal-nathan-fielder-how-real-is-it.html">Nathan Fielder’s <em>The Rehearsal</em></a> recently explored, the power imbalance in a cockpit between a senior and a younger or less experienced pilot can have a huge impact on the outcome of a plane mishap. Yet in this case, it seems likely that even in a balanced co-piloting dynamic, nothing could have helped an unwary pilot predict, prevent, or recover from the engine failure.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>What do we know about the pilots and the airline?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Sabharwal was a true veteran pilot, with over 15,000 career flight hours, nearly half of them piloting the 787. As a younger pilot, Kunder had just 3,400 hours of flight time, but over 1,100 of them were on the 787.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s been widely <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/15/world/asia/india-air-crash-pilots.html">reported</a> that <a href="https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/air-india-plane-crash-a-pilot-set-to-retire-an-attendant-who-inspired-others-crew-that-went-down-with-dreamliner-10063752/">Sabharwal was planning to retire</a> soon to care for his ailing father, who himself was a career aviation ministry official. In reporting after the crash, he has been universally <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-india-pilot-melancholic-hero-140442609.html">described</a> by friends and colleagues as extremely kind, gentle, reserved, and soft-spoken. Kunder came from a family of pilots, went to flight school in Florida, and <a href="https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/air-india-crash-senior-pilot-eab72db5">reportedly</a> chose piloting over a career in esports because he loved to fly.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Following the crash, the Telegraph <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/13/air-india-pilot-medical-records-mental-health-claims/">quoted</a> a source claiming that Sabharwal had struggled with depression and had taken mental health leave from the company. However, Air India’s parent company, the Tata Group, contradicted this, with a spokesperson clarifying to the Telegraph that Sabharwal’s last medical leave was a bereavement leave in 2022, and emphasizing that “the preliminary report did not find anything noteworthy” in his recent medical history.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>If pilots don’t get therapy, they could endanger themselves and others while in the air. But if they <em>do</em> get therapy, the airline could ground them.</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">However, it could be very easy for mental health issues in pilots to go undetected and unreported. That’s because the strict scrutiny and restrictions placed upon commercial pilots in the wake of the <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32072218">2015 Germanwings tragedy</a> — in which a pilot locked his co-pilot out of the cockpit and deliberately crashed the plane, killing everyone on board — creates a dangerous <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/05/why-pilots-dont-get-therapy/682959/">catch-22 for pilots</a>: If they don’t get thorough and regular mental health treatment, they could be endangering themselves and others when they’re in the air. But if they <em>do</em> get mental health treatment, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/magazine/airline-pilot-mental-health.html">the airline could ground them</a>, perhaps permanently. For pilots who love flying, it’s a major risk assessment: <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/air-india-crash-report-raises-questions-about-mental-health-care-for-pilots">Around 1,100 people have been killed</a> because of plane crashes intentionally caused by pilots since 1982.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The tragedy comes at a pivotal moment for both Air India and Boeing, which have each been attempting to rebound from criticism.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Air India is one of the oldest and formerly one of the most <a href="https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats/air-india-travel-good-old-days/">influential airlines</a> in the world, known for the <a href="https://www.firstpost.com/india/a-tale-of-salvador-dali-500-ashtrays-for-air-india-and-a-baby-elephant-10040111.html">opulence</a> and <a href="https://qz.com/india/1325611/the-fascinating-story-behind-air-indias-priceless-collection-of-art">exceptional artistic style</a> it cultivated throughout the 20th century. After the company was nationalized in the 1950s, however, its once-sterling reputation significantly backslid, until it was finally re-privatized in 2022 and handed off to the Tata Group. The company’s attempts to <a href="https://apnews.com/article/air-india-crash-business-turnaround-e8ab09ff9b8d452095ffd65a633ae034">revitalize the airline</a> have included <a href="https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/01/07/air-india-fleet-2025/">investing billions</a> in readying the company for an expanded fleet and a reentry into the global market — an expansion that <a href="https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Air-India-deadly-crash-could-set-back-its-big-growth-plans">could be jeopardized</a> because of the high-profile nature of the June crash. India’s civil aviation minister recently <a href="https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/ai171-crash-centre-issued-nine-notices-to-air-india-for-safety-violations-in-six-months-investigation-under-way/articleshow/122815036.cms">announced</a> that the company has additionally received nine safety notices in the last six months.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Meanwhile Boeing continues to face criticism in the face of <a href="https://www.vox.com/2024/3/15/24100817/boeing-crash-safety-aviation-flying">ongoing</a> safety and maintenance <a href="https://www.vox.com/money/2024/4/17/24133324/boeing-senate-hearings-whistleblower-sam-salehpour-congress">concerns</a>, and recently agreed to pay over $1 billion to <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y57p8xnp5o">avoid criminal prosecution</a> over two plane crashes linked to faulty flight control systems that resulted in the deaths of 346 people. While there’s no indication yet that anything about the Air India crash was due to a defect in the plane, the optics won’t help the beleaguered airline.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Perhaps because the stakes are so high, multiple pilot organizations in India as well as a bevy of media commentators have resisted the preliminary report’s implication that one of the pilots caused the crash. The Airline Pilots Association of India as well as the Indian Commercial Pilots Association both <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/8dc9f1cf-dfee-4cd5-99b0-f5aed9d2a659">released statements</a> criticizing the preliminary report and objecting to any presumption of guilt. Others have <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/8dc9f1cf-dfee-4cd5-99b0-f5aed9d2a659">suggested</a> an undetected issue with the plane might be at fault, or that the AAIB, which issued the preliminary report, might have something to hide.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The full investigation into the crash is likely to take at least a year to complete, but given the vagaries of the information obtained from the cockpit, it’s uncertain whether we will ever know more than we currently do. Official aviation organizations have cautioned against a rush to judgment until the investigation is completed.&nbsp;</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[How Christianity conquered the Hot 100]]></title>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">“We wanna thank God for giving us the grace to give him a little glory in this building tonight,” rapper-slash-country hit-generator Jelly Roll said onstage in May at the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-bmUWqGCg4">60th Academy of Country Music Awards</a>. The speech came during an exultant performance of his collab with Shaboozey, “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPzbeQMn9Y">Amen,</a>” which features the chorus, “Somebody say a prayer for me / ‘Cause the pills ran out and I still can’t sleep.” The song details a religious devotion earned through a struggle with darker forces. “Even a crooked road can still get you home,” Jelly Roll concluded.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Jelly Roll might seem like a surprising mouthpiece for this kind of preachy moment, but the song is a hit even outside the country bubble. In a recent <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/06/barstool-conversion-rock-jelly-roll-brandon-lake/">article for Christianity Today</a>, musicologist Kelsey McGinnis identified the work of artists like Jelly Roll, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNFAaWJhp0">Brandon Lake</a>, and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouNDkd7pFVA">Thomas Rhett</a> as “barstool conversion rock,” a notably masculine form of music that sits adjacent to contemporary Christian music (CCM).&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But that subgenre is far from the only religiously tinged music — created by everyone from devout evangelicals to open agnostics, from country artists to rappers — climbing the charts today; a number of pop songs are likewise courting the divine. Benson Boone’s “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_RSwwpPaA">Beautiful Things</a>,” which arguably functions as a direct-appeal to God, was a ubiquitous bop for most of 2024. Alex Warren’s “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ah9tWTkmk">Ordinary</a>,” a love song that easily doubles as a <a href="https://genius.com/Alex-warren-ordinary-lyrics">Christian worship song</a>, has slowly climbed the charts over the past few months to become one of 2025’s biggest breakout hits (it’s currently No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100).</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">By establishing an industry-leading sound and a distinct identity, in a time of increased polarization around religion, Christian-coded music has finally broken containment and conquered the airwaves.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Christian rock has been around for decades. What changed?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Thirty years ago, evangelical and secular culture were very much divided, says culture writer and religious historian <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/9/21291493/donald-trump-evangelical-christians-kristin-kobes-du-mez">Kristin Kobes Du Mez</a>. “There was a much more cohesive, and even in many cases, all-encompassing Christian culture [for] kids raised in the 1990s,” she said. “It was possible to be completely insulated from secular culture. … I certainly grew up with the understanding that top 40 music was evil.” Christian radio, Christian record labels, and Christian bookstores all functioned as gatekeepers, vetting everything they passed on to consumers.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“There was a lot of money to be made in distinctively Christian merchandise,” Du Mez said. “But of course, it wasn&#8217;t presented as a business. It was presented as ministry and as evangelism.” It was also often considered hacky or trite. “The kind of joke about Christian culture is that they just copy what&#8217;s happening in secular spaces and then produce things of lower quality,” Du Mez said.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://switchedonpop.com/"><em>Switched on Pop</em></a>’s Charlie Harding echoed this. Christian contemporary music used to sound like “whatever’s happening in pop music, five years too late,” he told me. A fan of a secular band could usually find a Christian equivalent and listen to that instead, guilt-free. Like other guilt-free treats, it might not quite hit the spot — but for decades, many Christians eschewed the pleasures of mainstream media, even as their own art trailed behind it.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Christian pop, however, was not the only form of Christian music available. There was also church worship music (also known as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_worship_music">praise music</a>). Worship music gained traction in the late ’70s and ’80s, when seminal CCM songwriters like Rich Mullins modernized the classic Protestant hymnal structure by combining it with the aesthetics of modern Black gospel, emphasizing a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-b7TQMoZsM">soaring, anthemic rock chorus</a> that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuwwh4oUXAE">everyone could sing along to</a>. This structure has come to define praise music ever since.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the ’90s and early aughts, as megachurches and Christian conferences exploded in popularity, along with their concert-like worship services, worship music took on increased cultural significance. This music was meant to be sung by church congregations, intended to invoke or encourage religious euphoria, even conversion. It took a basic pop-rock style and imbued it with spiritual ambiance, codifying a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKCThJB5w0">big, church revival sound</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then came the rise of the internet. The increased interconnectivity of diverse communities, the subsequent explosion of the smart phone and social media, and the demise of the cultural mainstay that was the Christian bookstore all meant Christians found it much harder, if not impossible, to totally isolate themselves from the rest of the world.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“Sometimes that&#8217;s just what they are and what they do. Sometimes that&#8217;s their truth.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><cite>Todd Nathanson, YouTube music vlogger</cite></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This increased interaction with the secular world both coincided with and fueled the erosion of the Christian music industry, which also meant that the centers of distribution and influence for Christian art changed. Now, instead of getting Christian music mainly from Christian radio and CCM artists, many Christians began to encounter it most regularly through their weekly Sunday worship service — which offered not “pop music, five years too late” but worship music.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, musical artists who grew up in the church, hearing worship music week after week, were also hearing and interacting with secular music and culture. They could more freely mix and learn from different musical styles. And soon, instead of merely following behind pop music, Christian music instead helped spawn an enormously influential offshoot of its own sound — via the biggest band of the 21st century.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Harding identified <a href="https://switchedonpop.com/episodes/coldplay-moon-music">Coldplay as the through line</a> between all that aughts Christian worship music and songs like “Ordinary.” In <a href="https://youtu.be/NUHWLQraZCs?t=344">a 2019 Rolling Stone interview</a>, band frontman Chris Martin, who was raised Christian, spoke of being influenced as a child in the ’90s by church music — by “these beautiful, big songs.” That bigness, Harding said, is crucial to what came next. Specifically, Harding said, Coldplay’s 2005 hit “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXq-14lV79s">Fix You</a>&#8221; popularized a song structure that’s now ubiquitous among today’s faith-adjacent pop music.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Start infinitely small,” he said. “You&#8217;re down on your knees praying to God.” As it unfolds, “You can see the whole cathedral around you. You&#8217;re starting to have this divine experience.” That “infinite build” structure of “Fix You” now infuses the work of a huge number of highly successful artists of the ’10s and ’20s — think Arcade Fire, Imagine Dragons, or any number of “<a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23920808/noah-kahan-vermont-dial-drunk-stick-season-tiktok">stomp clap hey</a>” groups —&nbsp;and is still featured by Christian-associated artists like Benson Boone and Alex Warren. Whether intentionally or not, their music has incorporated the vibe of a Sunday worship service, and that vibe is shaping the industry’s sound rather than following it.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This musical wave may have emerged, however indirectly, from Christian culture, but it’s managed to transcend the awkward resonances of a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaq0nNXy0ak&amp;pp=ygUSanVzdGluIGJpZWJlciBob2x5">post-Hillsong Justin Bieber</a>, <a href="https://www.vox.com/23488450/kanye-west-hitler-alex-jones-ye-anti-semitism">mid-spiral Kanye West</a>, or the <a href="https://slate.com/culture/2024/05/creed-2024-concert-tour-cruise-summer-99-scott-stapp.html">Creed Cruise</a>.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Where we are now: Masculinity, politics, and hollering to God</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As Christians lost the ability to isolate themselves from the secular world, they also started to see value in interacting with secular culture.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Du Mez suggests that whereas before, Christians intentionally isolated themselves from the mainstream, in the current era, some are increasingly willing to accept and embrace secular influences because they increasingly conflate Christianity with a right-wing social and political agenda. Thus secular media and products that are not distinctly Christian, but which nevertheless reflect or promote their shared social and political values, are finding welcome among Christians who might otherwise disregard them.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It&#8217;s not always compatible with what most people would understand to be core Christian values or theological tenets, but if it hits [certain] masculinity talking points, if it provides an attractive vision of throwback femininity or even retrograde femininity, then it&#8217;s embraced by these spaces,” Du Mez said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This new and evolving embrace of secular messaging arguably explains why so many Christians are warming up to (and pushing up the charts) country and rock artists who, despite referencing Jesus here and there in their lyrics, would once have been viewed by them as morally dubious. This contradiction serves as the essence of barstool conversion rock: moral messages coming from spurious messengers. In writing for Christianity Today, McGinnis marries barstool rock to both country music and to “a web of crisscrossing cultural threads, including conservative politics, party culture, and evangelicalism.” While this subgenre overlaps with the much-discussed wave of “<a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/359734/female-pop-stars-charts-billboard-rap-country-popularity">bro country</a>,” it adds a layer of respectability via an appeal to faith.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>If each of these songs involves a reckoning between the singer and God, “even the reckoning is performed.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Indeed, what unites all of these songs across a broad sonic range is their confessional stance, as well as the performance of raw vulnerability from each male artist — a trait that <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area/390781/masculinity-scott-galloway-young-men-struggling">modern men</a>, especially ones steeped in a culture of conservatism, often have difficulty accessing. At the nexus of Jelly Roll’s gritty but spiritual collaborations and <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23842173/oliver-anthony-rich-men-controversy-morgan-wallen-jason-aldean-small-town-political">Morgan Wallen</a> exiting <em>Saturday Night Live</em> for “<a href="https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/snl-mocks-morgan-wallen-abrupt-show-exit-gods-country-1235940141/">God’s country</a>” resides a desire for something deeper than just the average dirty-booted drinking song. In so many of these songs, the singer aims to find a way to express his own weakness, a familiar cry among isolated white men that contributes to these songs’ popularity.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Music critic Craig Jenkins (of Vox sister site Vulture) told me he thinks Boone’s “Beautiful Things” succeeds at this project. “Emotional, searching pop-guy songs will absolutely never lose steam,” Jenkins said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Boone, who is no longer a practicing Mormon but <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/benson-boone-beautiful-things-new-album-american-heart-1235288819/">does not drink or do drugs</a>, is an interesting case, especially in his aesthetics. With his spangled jumpsuits and mustache/mullet combo, he&#8217;s somewhere between Elton John and Morgan Wallen. “The signifiers all feel very queer, but the presentation is like, lacrosse player crushing it in glee club,” Jenkins said.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Jenkins questions if Boone is “carelessly laundering stuff that used to be edgy into a teetotaling package that is just coincidentally very palatable for the most crotchety sensibilities,&#8221; or if his choices are more intentional. He <a href="https://www.vulture.com/article/review-benson-boone-album-american-heart.html">ties Boone to post-punk creatives</a> like Panic! At the Disco’s Brendon Urie and The Killers’ Brandon Flowers, who like Boone were both raised as Latter-Day Saints. This cacophonic whirl of musical antecedents reads like someone who’s going through a familiar post-adolescent Mormon journey of working out his identity beyond his family, church, and childhood.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Todd Nathanson, creator of the YouTube music vlog <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/ToddintheShadows">Todd in the Shadows</a>, emphasizes that the authenticity is part of the package. “You don&#8217;t want to be too cynical about this because Alex Warren is an actual practicing Catholic, and you can&#8217;t expect someone to not let that inform his music,” he said. “Sometimes that&#8217;s just what they are and what they do. Sometimes that&#8217;s their truth.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The other key to understanding this music is that while so much of its appeal is its perceived authenticity, its strength also lies in its ability to market a version of traditionalism that feels inviting, rather than alienating.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Though artists like Boone and Warren may not bear much sonic affinity with Jelly Roll or Wallen, thematically they all share an ability to express a yearning for the identity of a masculine, working-class hero, eschewing delusions of grandeur for a smaller life. These songs seem to pair images of modern masculinity with visions of a traditional lifestyle, tailored to appeal to audiences that don’t often find themselves reflected in pop music <em>except</em> through working-class anthems. Think of John Mellencamp’s admonition that “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVLVaBECuc">I can breathe in a small town</a>,” paired with Warren’s vow to “make the mundane our masterpiece.” These lyrics are tropey, even trite, but they’re effective in breathing new life into old populist narratives.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The video for <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ah9tWTkmk">Warren’s “Ordinary,”</a> for example, sees him pursuing a chastely styled woman (played by his real-life wife) with all the apparent wonder of a schoolboy seeing a woman for the first time. It’s both a bizarrely infantilized version of masculinity and a highly romanticized, extremely traditional view of love. It’s also hugely popular.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“There&#8217;s a synergy of thought in bro spaces that aren&#8217;t religious and ones that are,” Jenkins noted, with “treatises on how Your Woman should dress on both sides of the coin.” In an Alex Warren video, that vision of femininity isn’t so threatening.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Nathanson also points to artists who dabble in faith-adjacent themes, like Hosier and Noah Kahan, as proof of the marketability of this traditionalist message. “That kind of music is just doing very well right now,” he said — so well that other artists might be trying to gain a large market by adding “a couple of ‘Gods’ or references to heaven.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“A lot of people see that type of proselytizing as a quick way to gain influence and a quick way to gain access and a foothold and an audience,” Nathanson added.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Rugged and questioning is lucrative posturing in deeply weird times,” said Jenkins, who’s more cynical than Nathanson about the end result. If each of these songs involves a reckoning between the singer and God, he notes that “even the reckoning is performed.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Beyond any cynicism, there are complex social messages to parse in this new space. For one, it&#8217;s perhaps ironic that the <a href="https://www.vox.com/2020/8/28/21403866/trump-rnc-speech-biden-covid-19-2020">regressive male codes</a> of stoic masculinity that leave these male artists seeking outlets of expression are frequently <a href="https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22784054/estrangement-family-friends-friendsgiving">heavily reinforced</a> by <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23131530/southern-baptist-convention-sexual-abuse-scandal-guidepost">the same Christian culture</a> they’re trying to find themselves within.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Ultimately, Harding stresses the reality of a new conservative audience making its mark on the charts. “I think that there&#8217;s something that&#8217;s really connecting with people, and I think that probably has to do with a lean toward tradition and representations of masculinity, which are currently at loggerheads in our world,” Harding said.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Whatever it is, he says, people really must like it. “I always believe that things that pop off do have an actual resonance,” he said, “because it&#8217;s so hard to make a hit.”&nbsp;</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The Diddy verdict shows us what a post-Me Too trial looks like]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Jurors in the federal criminal trial of Sean “Diddy” Combs reached a mixed verdict Wednesday, finding the rapper and music mogul not guilty of the three most serious charges levied against him. The jury deliberated for 13 hours across three days before reaching the verdict and found Combs guilty of two of the five charges [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Jurors in the federal criminal trial of Sean “Diddy” Combs reached a mixed verdict Wednesday, finding the rapper and music mogul not guilty of the three most serious charges levied against him.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The jury deliberated for 13 hours across three days before reaching the verdict and found Combs guilty of two of the five charges against him, both for transportation to engage in prostitution.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They found Combs not guilty of the more serious offenses: sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy. Combs will avoid the harshest sentence — life in prison — but could still face up to 20 years if given the maximum sentence for his remaining convictions. The outcome was seen as a victory for Combs, who <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/diddy-jury-reaches-verdict-all-counts-sex-trafficking-racketeering-trial">responded by falling to his knees before his courtroom chair</a>, applauding the courtroom gallery, and crying out, “Thank god” and “I love you” several times.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The verdict concludes a seven-week trial that contained plenty of lurid details about Diddy’s decades of “freak-offs” and other sex parties, along with shocking anecdotes of his bizarre and controlling behavior toward both his girlfriends and his employees. The defense ultimately chose not to present any witnesses for Diddy but rested after cross-examining the prosecution’s case, relying largely on a strategy of persistently hammering away at the credibility and motivations of the prosecution’s witnesses.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">With all that hammering away, the Diddy trial resurfaced some of the very same rape myths that the Me Too movement worked to dismantle a few short years ago, including the one <a href="https://strongheartshelpline.org/abuse/deconstructing-the-myths-about-victims">about the perfect victim</a>. The fact that the defense’s tactics appear to have been by and large successful is just the latest indication that America is prepared to put the lessons of Me Too in the rearview mirror.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>1. What was the verdict? What does it mean?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Jurors convicted Diddy on two charges under the <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mann_act">Mann Act</a> of transporting his then-girlfriend, Cassie Ventura, and another woman known in the courtroom only as Jane for the purposes of prostitution. He was found not guilty, however, of sex trafficking Ventura or Jane.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Effectively, that means while the jury accepted the state’s argument that Diddy illegally transported the women for purposes of engaging in sex work, they were not convinced that the women were actually coerced into participating in these acts.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Legal analyst Paul Mauro, who <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/diddy-trial-jurors-face-unrealistic-090006266.html">correctly predicted</a> this split verdict, emphasized that the prosecution had to prove coercion. Given that Judge Arun Subramanian <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/415604/coercive-control-legal-status-diddy-trial">excluded all discussion about coercive control</a> — the overall environment of controlling behavior that can have a coercive effect upon an abuse victim — from the trial, the jurors may not have had enough context to accept the prosecution’s framing of events.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Jurors revealed that they were most divided on the first charge of racketeering conspiracy, telling Judge Subramanian on Tuesday that they were deadlocked before ultimately finding him not guilty. This is a lesser charge than racketeering itself, but <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/26/arts/music/rico-charges-diddy-racketeering.html">it requires</a> that prosecutors prove the defendant participated in a criminal enterprise and agreed to commit crimes to further that enterprise.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This is a complicated charge, however, since it requires the jury to accept that Combs intended to run a criminal enterprise. The defense instead portrayed Combs as a swinger with a troubled history of incidents of domestic abuse rather than a controlling, powerful mogul who systematically used his many businesses to support illegal sexual activities.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>2. What happens next?&nbsp;</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Prosecutor Maurene Comey has stated the government will seek the maximum on the remaining two counts, which means Combs could still face up to 20 years in prison — 10 years for each count.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Judge Subramanian, a federal district court judge, is currently weighing whether to release Combs from detention while awaiting his sentencing hearing.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>3. What new information did we learn from Diddy’s trial?</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">From the moment testimony in the case <a href="https://www.cnn.com/entertainment/live-news/diddy-sean-combs-trial-05-12-25">kicked off May 12</a>, the trial was packed with one jaw-dropping anecdote after another. Ventura, Combs’ ex-girlfriend, played an inadvertent role in jump-starting the federal investigation into Combs when <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/17/entertainment/video/sean-diddy-combs-cassie-venture-surveillance-digvid">2016 surveillance footage</a> surfaced in 2024, that appears to show Combs violently beating her in a hotel hallway.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In addition to that harrowing moment, a litany of Combs’ former girlfriends and staff testified to experiencing what amounted to decades of abusive and controlling behavior from Combs. Bryana Bongolan, a friend of Ventura’s, <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4prl4p21o">testified</a> that Combs once allegedly hoisted her to the balcony ledge of a 17th-story apartment and then threw her into the balcony furniture. One longtime staffer, Capricorn Clark, testified that <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/05/27/nx-s1-5413561/former-sean-combs-employee-capricorn-clark-says-he-kidnapped-her">Combs threatened to kill her</a> on the first day she worked for him, physically assaulted her, and at one point, forced her to come with him to stalk Kid Cudi, whose car he later allegedly firebombed out of jealousy over Cudi’s relationship with Ventura.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Multiple former Combs staffers testified to having been <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/sean-diddy-combs-fbi-lie-detector-test-assistant-1235343452/">required to take polygraph tests</a> by Combs to keep their jobs, sometimes including days of grueling interrogations before he was satisfied. Often, the abuse staff allegedly endured was every bit as terrifying as the incidents against his girlfriends. One former staffer, using the pseudonym Mia, testified <a href="https://apnews.com/article/sean-combs-diddy-trial-cassie-mia-3134e4be64b95457d0f999e284bf2527">that she was forbidden to lock the doors</a> or leave the property while she was staying at Combs’ residence. At one point, she alleged on the stand, Combs began a pattern of intermittently sexually assaulting her over the eight years she worked for him.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even though Combs was acquitted on the most serious charges against him, it will be hard — justifiably so — for the public to erase many of these stories and allegations from their collective memory.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">4. What does the mixed verdict mean for Me Too?</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The jury’s mixed verdict represents, in a sense, the fraught place the Me Too movement holds in America’s public consciousness these days.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Me Too arguably opened the door for the federal investigation into Combs, which appears to have kicked off after Ventura <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/arts/music/sean-combs-diddy-cassie-rape-lawsuit.html">filed a civil lawsuit against him in 2023</a>. In it, Ventura made the first shocking public accusations that Combs was involved in human trafficking and sexual assault, launching the stream of accusations that would end in a criminal trial and a mixed verdict.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/05/07/g-s1-64329/sean-diddy-combs-cassie-lookback-window-law">Ventura filed her lawsuit under the New York Adult Survivors Act</a> (NYASA), a law explicitly passed as a response to the Me Too movement. It offered survivors of sexual violence a one-year window, from November 2022 to 2023, to file civil lawsuits against their alleged attackers, even if the statute of limitations had lapsed.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The idea behind the NYASA was to acknowledge the unusual cultural moment that Me Too created. It’s well established that <a href="https://phys.org/news/2021-06-explores-women-sexually-assaulted.html">survivors of sexual assault frequently face too much shame</a> to acknowledge what happened to them, which is part of why sex crimes are so difficult to prosecute: By the time a survivor decides to come forward, the statute of limitations may well have lapsed. The Me Too movement briefly created a space in which survivors were able to acknowledge what had happened to them, which meant that suddenly, a lot of people were coming forward about sex crimes that could no longer be prosecuted. The NYASA was designed to allow survivors to get closure for their attacks in civil court, without reopening the door to criminal charges.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Although Ventura eventually <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1213962223/sean-diddy-combs-cassie-settle-lawsuit">settled her civil lawsuit with Diddy</a>, it led to more accusations. It turned out that some of the charges were still prosecutable in criminal court, and that’s where the federal case began. Me Too and its legal victories made the whole thing possible.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>All the rape myths that the Me Too movement was supposed to have debunked have slunk their way back into the level of acceptable discourse.</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet at the same time that the NYASA was making it possible for survivors to face their attackers in court, <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23581859/me-too-backlash-susan-faludi-weinstein-roe-dobbs-depp-heard">a backlash against Me Too was mounting across America</a>. Cultural consensus began to coalesce around the opinion that Me Too had gone too far. Coverage of <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/23043519/johnny-depp-amber-heard-defamation-trial-fairfax-county-domestic-abuse-violence-me-too">the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard domestic violence case in 2022</a> devolved into a gleefully misogynistic spectacle. The status of feminism dropped precipitously in <a href="https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas#gender">public opinion polls</a>. Most traumatically of all, <a href="https://www.vox.com/2022/6/24/23176750/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-read-dobbs-decision-text">the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade</a>, depriving generations of women of the reproductive freedom with which they were born.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, the cultural energy that animated public interest in the first wave of Me Too trials has faded away. All the rape myths that the Me Too movement was supposed to have debunked have slunk their way back into the level of acceptable discourse, especially the one about how no true rape victim will appease their attackers. During Ventura’s cross-examination, lawyers for Combs <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/diddy-trial-cassie-text-always-ready-to-freak-off-2025-5">dwelled at length on text messages</a> in which Ventura appeared to speak positively about the encounters Ventura now says she was coerced into participating in. If she were <em>really</em> raped, their argument implied, she would never have been willing to pretend otherwise.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In real life, <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7375443/">it’s extremely common for victims of sexual assault to maintain contact with their attackers</a>, even sometimes covering for them. Most perpetrators of sexual violence know their victims, and in many cases —&nbsp;especially in these celebrity trials —&nbsp;they hold professional or&nbsp;financial power over their victims, too. All of those facts combine to leave survivors frequently unwilling to completely sever ties with their attackers. All of this was discussed at great length in Me Too discourse back in 2017.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yet <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/411261/harvey-weinstein-trial-candace-owens-joe-rogan">Harvey Weinstein has high-profile supporters</a> who make much of the fact that his victims maintained contact with him after he attacked them. Combs’s lawyers relied on the same argument in this case, and <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/415604/coercive-control-legal-status-diddy-trial">the judge blocked prosecutors from presenting expert testimony on coercive control</a>. Apparently, the angle convinced enough members of the jury that they felt no need to convict Combs of the most serious charges he faced.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Me Too achieved real legal victories, but they were temporary — a one-year statute here and there. Its great achievements were its cultural changes. And every day, it seems they are chipped away more and more. The mixed verdict in Combs’s case, and Combs’s partial victory, show just how badly they’ve already eroded.&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none"><em><strong>Editor’s note, June 30, 2025, 6:30 pm ET: </strong>Bryan Kohberger has <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/bryan-kohberger-plead-guilty-counts-idaho-college-murders/story?id=123356808">agreed to plead guilty to all charges</a> in the murders of the Idaho Four. The plea deal allows him to avoid the death penalty in exchange for serving four consecutive life sentences for the murders. The story below was originally published on January 7, 2023. </em></p>

<p>What made their deaths all the more terrifying was how elusive their killer seemed — until a sudden arrest made everything even scarier.</p>

<p>Sometime after midnight on November 13, 2022, four University of Idaho students — Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, and Kaylee Goncalves — were all viciously attacked while sleeping in an off-campus townhouse. They were each, as eventual criminal charges would <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-college-murders-timeline-events/story?id=93575278">reflect</a>, “stabbed and murdered with premeditation with malice and forethought.” </p>

<p>Throughout the seven tense weeks that followed, the case now known as the Idaho student murders rocked the small town of Moscow, Idaho, became a riveting true crime obsession, and sparked a global media frenzy.&nbsp;</p>

<p>But although everything that happened after their deaths would become international news, the lead-up to the quadruple homicide was completely uneventful. And so, nothing seemed to stick: There were no suspicious actions, changes, or alarming behaviors prior to the murders, and no immediate suspects, no big compelling clues, no key witnesses in the aftermath. An unknown intruder or intruders had simply entered the house, stabbed to death four of the six sleeping students inside, and then quietly slipped into the night.</p>

<p>Still, as the University of Idaho community struggled to come to terms with the killings and cope with their fear of the perpetrator, local and federal investigators were hard at work. By late December, despite the massive amount of resources devoted to the investigation, along with a stream of steady <a href="https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/1064/King-Road-Homicides">case updates</a>, the case appeared to be on the verge of going cold. But on December 30, Moscow police announced they’d made an <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/30/us/university-of-idaho-student-killings-investigation/index.html">arrest</a> in the case.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Bryan Kohberger, 28, had no apparent connection to any of the victims. Instead, he was a graduate student at a neighboring university, with an unsettling history and an obsession with true crime. The abrupt identification of the alleged killer, and the excavation of his personal background, meant that one of the most senseless, shocking crimes in recent memory became even more tragic.</p>

<p>Had four devoted friends — two of whom were dating, two of whom were lifelong best friends — lost their lives to a would-be serial killer?</p>

<p>The probable cause <a href="https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett%20Payne.pdf">affidavit for the arrest</a>, as well as the wealth of information that has since trickled out about the case and the alleged perpetrator, sheds new light on an extraordinarily horrific crime and the equally extraordinary criminal investigation that followed it. What finally led to Kohberger’s arrest was simply excellent investigative work: a mix of well-organized policing, groundbreaking forensics using genetic genealogy, and old-fashioned detective work. As Kohberger heads to trial this fall,&nbsp;the secrets of the criminal they caught are still being unearthed.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The murders</h2>

<p>Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, and Kaylee Goncalves <a href="https://people.com/crime/idaho-students-killed-what-we-know-about-victims/">were all University of Idaho undergraduates</a>, all involved in the campus Greek system, and all fast friends. Kernodle, 20, was a bubbly junior majoring in marketing; she was dating Chapin, 20, a triplet and a fun-loving sports management major. Mogen and Goncalves, both 21, had been inseparable since the sixth grade. They did everything together: lived together, went to school together, and, ultimately, <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/idaho-murders-kaylee-goncalves-madison-mogen-b2236829.html">died side by side</a>.</p>

<p>On the night of Saturday, November 12, 2022, everything seemed normal. Kernodle and Chapin went to a party at the Sigma Chi fraternity; Mogen and Goncalves went out to a bar, then hung out at a food truck for a bit. By 2 am Sunday, according to the probable cause affidavit, everyone had gathered at the house on King Road where Mogen, Goncalves, and Kernodle lived with two other roommates. Goncalves, as <a href="https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/01/3-takeaways-from-dateline-20-20-specials-on-the-university-of-idaho-killings/">reported</a> in January by Dateline, had recently moved out of the townhouse as she prepared to graduate early and take a job in Austin, Texas, but she’d returned for the weekend to hang out with Mogen. Months later, this news would fuel public speculation that whoever was watching the house saw her return — and saw it as an opportunity.</p>

<p>The three-story <a href="https://meaww.com/idaho-students-killer-knifed-victims-on-the-second-and-third-floors-of-the-house-floor-plan-layout">house</a> was accessible primarily by a secure door with a coded entry on the bottom floor, as well as by a sliding glass door on the main level (second floor) of the house. The lower entry was locked, but the sliding glass door might have been more easily accessible.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24341545/GettyImages_1245814871a.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="" title="" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="A view of the second and third floors of the Moscow, Idaho, house where four students were murdered in November. | Angela Palermo/Idaho Statesman/Tribune News Service via Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Angela Palermo/Idaho Statesman/Tribune News Service via Getty Images" />
<p>At 4 am, Kernodle ordered Jack-in-the-Box; at 4:12 am, she was on her phone, surfing TikTok. Sometime in the next few minutes, the attack began. She <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/us/idaho-murder-victims.html">tried to fight</a> off her attacker — but by 4:25 am, she and her boyfriend would both be dead.&nbsp;</p>

<p><em>Editor’s note: The following section contains disturbing details of the crime.</em></p>

<p>The killer attacked on the second and third floors of the house, entering each of the victims’ rooms for separate attacks — but he left the roommates on the main and lowest floors alive. He used a large Ka-Bar <a href="https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Ka-Bar-USMC--2927">knife</a> of the style used by the US Marine Corps.</p>

<p>Nearby surveillance footage captured audio of the attacks around 4:17 am, including distressed sounds and barking from Goncalves’s dog. As revealed in the affidavit, one roommate told police she heard noises and crying, but didn’t understand what she was hearing. Although she opened her door repeatedly to see what was happening, she saw nothing alarming — though she did report hearing Goncalves say, “There’s someone here.” Some time later, over sounds of crying coming from Kernodle’s room, she heard a male voice saying, “It’s okay, I’m going to help you.”&nbsp;</p>

<p>The third time she opened her door, it was to the sight of a man clad all in black and wearing a mask, walking toward her. As she stood in “frozen shock,” the killer walked by her room; it’s unclear whether or not he saw her. With his face mostly covered, the roommate noted the only thing she could see clearly: the suspect’s “bushy eyebrows.” That detail would later prove accurate.</p>

<p>Still stunned, the roommate returned to her room and locked her door, while the killer exited through the sliding glass door on the apartment’s main floor.</p>

<p>Then he vanished.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The aftermath: A media frenzy and public speculation run amok</h2>

<p>On Sunday, at 11:58 am, 911 received a phone call from a roommate’s phone, during which multiple people at the scene spoke to the dispatcher.&nbsp;</p>

<p>This 911 call has not been released, but there’s been considerable confusion due to reports of “<a href="https://www.today.com/news/university-idaho-murders-911-call-new-details-rcna58128">an unconscious person</a>” at the scene. Police <a href="https://www.facebook.com/MoscowIDPD/posts/pfbid025JpFeAESBfMRbsMDk7nqbdxCo6N8BvgfZYHjzPoSXDNrdmCumpfjErbvTEtrmdSRl">clarified</a> that “the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up”; this statement, however, led to widespread <a href="https://www.reddit.com/search?q=%22unconscious+person%22&amp;sort=relevance&amp;t=all">bafflement</a> from the public about how a bloody crime scene involving multiple fatalities could have been so misunderstood and misreported.</p>

<p>The murders immediately made national headlines and left the community in disbelief. Despite police initially <a href="https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24838/11-13-22-City-of-Moscow-Homicide-Victims">stating</a> there was no “ongoing community risk,” the panic was real. Once news of the deaths broke, so many students on the 11,000-member University of Idaho campus <a href="https://apnews.com/article/crime-homicide-moscow-idaho-university-of-accca4f75858d372b11d6a315b4a2d06">fled the school</a> that the university decided to allow students an optional early Thanksgiving break. Concerned calls to 911 <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/us/911-calls-idaho-college-town-include-reports-blood-unusual-circumstances">spiked</a>, and residents <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/03/us/idaho-university-moscow-killings.html">expressed fear</a> of a Ted Bundy-like predator stalking and choosing their victims randomly. Early police statements didn’t help clear this up; after initially releasing contradictory statements about whether the attack had been personal or random, police settled on the <a href="https://www.q13fox.com/news/police-appear-to-walk-back-major-detail-in-brutal-slayings-of-idaho-students">inclusive conclusion</a> that it was “an isolated, targeted attack,” but that they had “not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.”</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24341704/AP22334840781285a.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="A framed image featuring photos of the four University of Idaho students found dead" title="A framed image featuring photos of the four University of Idaho students found dead" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="A framed image featuring photos of the four University of Idaho students found dead at a Moscow, Idaho, house on November 13, 2022, rests in the snow in front of the house as part of a makeshift memorial on November 29. | Ted S. Warren/Associated Press" data-portal-copyright="Ted S. Warren/Associated Press" />
<p>Online sleuths immediately latched onto the murders, with speculation running rampant both locally and online. Police released <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENEAxhANVD8">bodycam footage</a> taken the night of the murders, from unrelated nearby interactions. It’s unclear if the footage led to tips that proved useful in Kohberger’s eventual arrest, but it did lead to a flurry of rumors and speculation that brief, blurry motion in the background of the video might be a group of people running from the crime scene.&nbsp;</p>

<p>On the hunt for clues, people pored over the four victims’ social media, accusing everyone from their friends to <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/CV1gIpipop8/">random people</a> who showed up in the background of Instagram photos. The food truck, which ran a Twitch livestream, became a <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/us/university-of-idaho-killings-thursday/index.html">huge source</a> of public speculation, with people examining footage of Goncalves and Mogen hanging out by the truck, looking for any clues that someone may have been stalking the two women.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Police had to issue statements formally clearing multiple people (and <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-murders-update-police-say-victims-dog-did-not-tamper-crime-scene-1764799">one animal</a>) of suspicion, <a href="https://www.today.com/news/university-idaho-murders-911-call-new-details-rcna58128">including</a> the surviving roommates, an ex-boyfriend of one of the victims who she had repeatedly called the night of the attack, a random man who was at the food truck, and, <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-rule-idaho-professor-suing-tiktoker-allegations-student-slaying-rcna63465">most bizarrely</a>, a University of Idaho professor who was fingered for the crime by the “<a href="https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/idaho-professor-lawsuit-moscow-murders-17681652.php">inner spirit</a>” of a tarot reader on TikTok. (The tarot reader <a href="https://nypost.com/2022/12/28/sued-tiktok-tarot-reader-doubles-down-on-idaho-murder-theory/">continues to insist</a> the professor ordered Kohberger to carry out the murders.)</p>

<p>That bonkers sidebar in this morbid case lends an idea of how chaotic things looked from the sidelines: a heinous crime, with an apparent lack of witnesses, no significant leads, and a lack of serious suspects — but plenty of distracting, obfuscating, unhelpful social media noise. When, on December 7, police <a href="https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24894/12-07-22-Moscow-Police-Ask-for-Communitys-Help">asked the public for help</a> locating a white Hyundai Elantra that had allegedly been spotted at the crime scene, it seemed to many people to be less like a real, promising lead and more like busywork: After all, a generic white car? What could be more of a needle in a haystack?</p>

<p>But as improbable as it seemed, police focus on that generic white car was exactly right.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Five days after the murders, a <a href="https://apnews.com/article/university-of-idaho-students-killings-arrest-b3b1ffd8138827f0bdad16d20e17cf83">criminology doctoral student</a> at Washington State University <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-idaho-college-slayings-changed-car-title-five-days-murders-rec-rcna64403">changed the title</a> on his white 2015 Hyundai Elantra, before driving it cross-country from Idaho to his parents’ home in Pennsylvania. His attempts to prevent authorities from tracing the car, however, overlooked one thing:&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>Police had his DNA.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The investigation and arrest of Bryan Kohberger</h2>

<p>What’s striking about the investigation into Kohberger, as the affidavit makes clear, is both how quickly police homed in on him as a person of interest, and how seamlessly multiple law enforcement agencies worked together to apprehend him — collaborating across multiple states, jurisdictions, and even the country.</p>

<p>The first big lead in the case came from nearby surveillance footage, which captured a “white sedan” repeatedly circling the neighborhood between 3:20 am and 4:20 am.</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24341442/GettyImages_1245970947a.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="The town of Moscow, Idaho" title="The town of Moscow, Idaho" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="The town of Moscow, Idaho, is seen from above on January 3, near the neighborhood where four University of Idaho students were found murdered on November 13, 2022. | David Ryder/Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="David Ryder/Getty Images" />
<p>Police tracked the car to Pullman, Washington, about 10 miles away, home to the Washington State University campus. Meanwhile, an FBI expert identified the make and model, and even narrowed down the year range of the car: a 2014-2016 Hyundai Elantra.&nbsp;</p>

<p>With that detail in hand, WSU campus police officers quickly tracked down a Hyundai Elantra owner who attended the school and lived near the last place the car had been seen on surveillance the night of November 13: Kohberger.&nbsp;</p>

<p>By November 29, just over two weeks after the murders, the Moscow Police Department had a copy of Kohberger’s driver’s license photo, complete with his “bushy eyebrows.”</p>

<p>Cell phone records showed Kohberger’s phone traveling from Pullman in the direction of Moscow the night of the murders, before it was shut off completely between 2:47 am and 4:48 am — “consistent with Kohberger attempting to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide,” according to the affidavit. They also showed Kohberger apparently returning to the scene of the crime in Moscow at approximately 9 am that day — still several hours before authorities would be alerted to the scene — and then immediately returning to his house in Pullman.</p>

<p>But while authorities had strong circumstantial evidence tying Kohberger and his white car to the crime, the smoking gun in this case had been recovered from the crime scene on the first day of the investigation: an empty knife sheath with a trace of DNA from an unknown male.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Armed with this clue, authorities <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/30/us/university-of-idaho-student-killings-investigation/index.html">turned to</a> the groundbreaking technique that’s led to arrests in many cases since the 2018 arrest of the <a href="https://www.vox.com/2018/4/27/17290288/golden-state-killer-joseph-james-deangelo-dna-profile-match">Golden State Killer</a>: genetic DNA matching. In this process, investigators upload DNA to genealogy websites and then build out a potential family tree for a suspect (or, in many cases, an unidentified missing person). Then, using context clues and other practical detective work, they follow the family tree and trace which member is most likely to be a match.&nbsp;</p>

<p>The use of genetic genealogy is controversial. Currently, only two genealogy websites, GEDmatch and Family Tree DNA, allow law enforcement to use DNA from their users. Both are opt-in, meaning the user has to give explicit consent for the use, though GEDmatch <a href="https://www.gedmatch.com/community-safety/">encourages users</a> to opt in and boasts that its genetic DNA matching has assisted in closing over 500 cold cases. That number seems accurate given how regularly genetic DNA matching is now used to solve crimes — and it may soon be even higher thanks to a <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/math/a41488056/algorithm-turbocharges-solving-cold-cases-genetics/">recently developed predictive algorithm</a> that could allow police to more quickly zoom in on the correct branch of a DNA family tree.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Police were able to match the DNA on the knife sheath with DNA from Kohberger’s father, gathered from trash at Kohberger’s parents’ home. And that match was definitive, excluding 99.99 percent of the population from being the father of the suspect.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, Kohberger and his dad embarked on a multi-day road trip from Washington to Pennsylvania. License plate readers across the country mapped them traveling from state to state: Colorado, Indiana, Pennsylvania. On December 15, they were <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/us/idaho-murders-kohberger-suspect.html">stopped twice</a> by Indiana patrol officers in a very short timespan for tailgating. A law enforcement source later <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-fbi-directed-indiana-police-pull-over-bryan-kohberger-seeking-video-images-hands">told Fox News</a> that a task force, which had Kohberger under surveillance requested that the Indiana troopers pull him over specifically so that they could get a glimpse of his hands to see if there were any cuts or other injuries. (In <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMGk5vDPZ8M">bodycam footage</a> of one of the two stops, Kohberger and his father appear only briefly on camera.) The FBI, allegedly part of the task force, later denied to Fox that it had given any orders to waylay Kohberger; it’s unclear if the task force was acting independently, or if the two stops were a complete coincidence.</p>

<p>On December 30, after surveilling Kohberger for several days, the Pennsylvania State Police executed <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/us/moscow-idaho-bryan-kohberger-extradition.html">a raid</a> on the home of his parents in the largely rural Chestnuthill Township, complete with smashed windows and broken doors. After being extradited back to Idaho, all the while under constant media <a href="https://nypost.com/2023/01/04/airport-evacuated-so-idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-could-relieve-himself/">scrutiny</a>, Kohberger appeared in the Latah County District Court in Moscow on Thursday, January 5, and documents related to his arrest were unsealed by the court.</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24341476/GettyImages_1246019166a.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="Bryan Kohberger wearing orange jail uniform is led away" title="Bryan Kohberger wearing orange jail uniform is led away" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="Bryan Kohberger is led away at the end of a hearing in Latah County District Court, in Moscow, Idaho, on January 5. | Ted S. Warren/Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Ted S. Warren/Getty Images" />
<p>That was the first time the world had heard of Bryan Kohberger. But internet sleuths quickly got to work uncovering his strange and ominous background.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The fallout: Kohberger, his background — and what’s next</h2>

<p>Kohberger was a Pennsylvania native who grew up in the suburbs. His high school classmates described him as “analytical,” interested in human behaviors — but one friend <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/01/us/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murders.html">described</a> a physically and emotionally abusive friendship to the New York Times that “got so, so bad that I just shut down when I was around him.”&nbsp;</p>

<p>Kohberger graduated from Northampton Community College in 2018 with an associate degree in psychology; two years later, he graduated from DeSales University, then went on to study criminology there as a grad student. While there, he took classes under legendary forensic profiler Katherine Ramsland, a <a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/idaho-murders-person-of-interest-reportedly-arrested-in-student-slayings?ref=scroll">household name</a> in the world of true crime thanks to her long career and dozens of books covering famous cases. He also participated in a research study into criminal behavior, for which he <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/us/idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohberger.html">recruited</a> on Reddit using a retroactively chilling <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlPYG2pXwAAx8S_?format=jpg&amp;name=4096x4096">descriptor</a>: “This study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense, with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience.” After getting his master’s degree in 2022, he began studying at Washington State as a criminology and criminal justice doctoral student.</p>

<p>There are striking parallels between Kohberger and <a href="https://www.vox.com/2018/4/25/17279650/golden-state-killer-east-area-rapist-suspect-identified-joseph-james-deangelo">the Golden State Killer</a>, Joseph DeAngelo Jr. Both men gravitated to law enforcement: DeAngelo was a police officer; Kohberger worked as a security guard for a local school district and had recently <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-murders-suspect/story?id=96111867">applied for an internship</a> with his local police department, claiming he wanted to aid rural law enforcement with data collection and analysis. Both had glowing newspaper write-ups for small acts of valor they had performed.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Both men also cased their crime scenes extensively: phone records showed Kohberger returning to the area of the King Road house again and again — “on at least 12 occasions” per the affidavit — beginning in June 2022, the earliest date that police could obtain records. That might be significant for multiple reasons. One of the rumors police downplayed about the case was that Kaylee Goncalves had expressed fear of a “<a href="https://www.newsweek.com/kaylee-goncalves-warned-about-stalker-three-weeks-before-murder-1767803">stalker</a>” in the weeks prior to the murders. This led to heated speculation that Goncalves was the focus of the attack, but authorities have never confirmed this. The evidence, instead, might point toward Kohberger being fixated, as authorities originally suggested, on the house itself.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Kaylee’s father, Steve Goncalves, who’d <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/kaylee-goncalves-family-frustrated-idaho-police-investigation-1767046">been critical</a> of police during the many weeks of scant updates, had nothing but praise for the investigation after the arrest, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnvcuoccunM">stating</a> in a January 5 interview that “all is forgiven.”</p>

<p>“People think Idaho is so old-fashioned and outback, but these guys — they hit a home run, man,” he said. “That affidavit is impressive.”</p>

<p>“Impressive” might be an understatement: The swiftness with which police managed to identify, carefully build a strong case against Kohberger, track him across the country, and arrest him, all while working with multiple agencies and somehow managing to keep his identity from leaking to the public, is extremely rare. It’s even more extraordinary given how many victims were involved, how unusual the crime was, how many agencies were involved, and how intense the public and media scrutiny was.</p>

<p>The triumph of the investigation, however, is tempered by the realization that Kohberger seems to have been working the criminal justice system in order to become a better criminal. Each half of the resolution to this case is a cold counter to the other: On the one hand, a picture of what we all, desperately, want policing to look like; on the other, a picture of what the criminal justice system too often becomes: exploitable.</p>

<p>Still, it’s easy to imagine this investigation becoming a major case study for what effective policing can and should look like: law enforcement working with the community and with each other, and building the case methodically, based solely on the evidence.</p>

<p>Perhaps most unusual of all is just how strong the case against Kohberger appears from the outset. Eyewitness? Check. Video surveillance of his car? Check. DNA match? Check. Implicating cell phone records? Loads. As of May, the prosecution <a href="https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/special-reports/moscow-murders/idaho-murder-university-bryan-kohberger-discovery/277-015209e1-908f-4bab-b98f-5a22bd091468">has produced</a> roughly 10,000 pages of documents and over 10,000 photos, along with massive amounts of video and audio data in the case. Even without the added circumstantial evidence of Kohberger’s own obsession with criminal psychology, this would be a hard defense to mount.</p>

<p>In May, apparently in order to avoid a preliminary hearing, the prosecution impaneled a secret grand jury which indicted Kohberger on May 16. <a href="https://www.wnep.com/article/news/investigations/action-16/kohberger/a-look-at-bryan-kohbergers-grand-jury-indictment-university-of-idaho-washington-state-chestnuthill-township/523-f40e9509-6e2b-49e0-abc8-03e9f76dda10">Kohberger was indicted</a> on four felony charges of first-degree murder and one charge of burglary.</p>

<p>At his subsequent arraignment on May 22, Kohberger chose to “stand silent” when asked to plead to the charges; the <a href="https://www.knkx.org/law/2023-05-22/judge-enters-not-guilty-pleas-on-bryan-kohbergers-behalf-trial-set-for-october">court entered a plea</a> of “not guilty” on his behalf. His trial is tentatively scheduled to begin on October 2, 2023.</p>

<p>For now, apart from the probable cause affidavit, the details of the case against Kohberger are still limited. The case is currently under a <a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-issues-gag-order-in-idaho-murders-suspect-brian-kohbergers-case">restrictive gag order</a> that’s led to repeated courtroom challenges from both victims’ families and media outlets. At a May 22 hearing on the gag order, Latah County Judge John C. Judge <a href="https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/special-reports/moscow-murders/judge-warns-of-irreparable-harm-in-idaho-murder-case-bryan-kohberger-standing-silent-plead-media-associated-press-motion/277-de751a01-aebe-448a-bfa9-8abc61dea7af">commented</a> on the “irreparable harm” the media had done to the case, without going into specifics. The judge worried the case’s high-profile media coverage would make it impossible for Kohberger to receive a fair trial, and told the Associated Press, one of the litigants requesting the gag order to be lifted, to “tone it down.”</p>

<p>Despite the gag order, new information continues to trickle out about Kohberger himself. In January, the New York Times reported that Kohberger had <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/us/idaho-murders-bryan-kohberger.html">long struggled</a> with mental health issues and drug addiction, as well as, allegedly, a rare neurological condition called <a href="https://www.insider.com/what-is-visual-snow-syndrome-bryan-kohberger-tapatalk-online-posts-2023-1">visual snow</a>.<strong> </strong>In February, the Times <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/idaho-murders-kohberger-fired-wsu.html">further reported</a> that Kohberger’s university had investigated him for various complaints, including following one student to her car, and getting into repeated altercations with his supervising professor. That ultimately resulted in his <a href="https://www.wate.com/news/bryan-kohbergers-termination-letter-from-wsu-mentions-altercation-with-professor-lack-of-professionalism/">termination</a> shortly after the murders.</p>

<p>News Nation also reported allegations that Kohberger <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-college-killings/kohberger-sexist-remarks/">received complaints</a> for condescending behavior and harsher grading toward female students. During that same period, Kohberger <a href="https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-college-killings/bryan-kohberger-idaho-colleague-home-cameras/">allegedly</a> broke into the home of a woman and then offered to install security cameras on her behalf.</p>

<p>And perhaps most damningly, after he went home for the holidays, according to <em>Dateline</em>, Kohberger acted suspiciously and constantly wore latex gloves around the house, alarming his family members so much that at one point, his disturbed relatives <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/bryan-kohberger-family-victims-dateline-b2344195.html">searched his car</a>, looking for evidence of his involvement in the Idaho murders.</p>

<p>Even as media coverage inevitably shifts away from the four deceased victims and their surviving roommates to focus on Kohberger, it’s important not to let his story supersede theirs.<strong> </strong>They leave us a legacy of living life to the fullest, of unabashed joy and camaraderie that shines throughout the wide digital footprint of the students’ social media. In a <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck43bViLzdH/">now-famous Instagram post</a>, made on the day of the murders, Goncalves snapped several photos of her roommates, including Kernodle, Mogen, and Chapin. “One lucky girl to be surrounded by these ppl everyday,” she wrote.</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24341714/idstudents2.png?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="" title="" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="From left to right: Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen (top), Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle, with their surviving roommates (faces blurred by Vox). | &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck43bViLzdH/&quot;&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;" data-portal-copyright="&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck43bViLzdH/&quot;&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;" />
<p><em><strong>Update, May 23, 3:50 pm ET:</strong> This story was originally published on January 7, 2023, and has been updated several times to include new details about the case.</em></p>
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