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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Donald Trump keeps declaring national emergencies. Why?]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[President Donald Trump has made a habit of declaring emergencies.&#160;&#160; Since he took office for his second term, Trump has issued declarations of emergency at the southern border. On energy and trade. About drug trafficking and cartels, and even the International Criminal Court. In all, he’s declared eight emergencies in his first 100 days, a [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">President Donald Trump has made a habit of declaring emergencies.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Since he took office for his second term, Trump has issued declarations of emergency at the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/declaring-a-national-emergency-at-the-southern-border-of-the-united-states/">southern border</a>. On <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/declaring-a-national-energy-emergency/">energy</a> and <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-declares-national-emergency-to-increase-our-competitive-edge-protect-our-sovereignty-and-strengthen-our-national-and-economic-security/">trade</a>. About <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/designating-cartels-and-other-organizations-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations-and-specially-designated-global-terrorists/">drug trafficking and cartels</a>, and even the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/imposing-sanctions-on-the-international-criminal-court/">International Criminal Court</a>. In all, he’s declared eight emergencies in his first 100 days, a rate that far outstrips any previous president, including his own first term. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s unclear whether all these things meet the legal standard for an “emergency” — a situation so unusual and extraordinary that it can’t wait for congressional action. The US trade deficit with China, for instance, has been the status quo for decades. But by declaring it an emergency, Trump <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy/407861/trump-tariff-national-emergency-trade-deficit-presidential-powers">unlocks special authorities</a> that wouldn’t otherwise be available to him.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The question of whether Trump can use his emergency powers this way is currently making its way through the courts, and our colleague Ian Millhiser <a href="https://www.vox.com/economy/412966/supreme-court-tariffs-donald-trump-trade-vos-selections">has been following along</a> as proceedings kicked off in the Court of International Trade. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the meantime, we at <em>Today, Explained</em> wanted to understand why Trump is so keen to tap these powers to achieve his agenda, so we called up <a href="https://www.brennancenter.org/about/leadership/elizabeth-goitein">Elizabeth Goitein</a>. She’s a senior director at the Brennan Center for Justice and an expert on presidential emergency powers. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Goitein spoke with <em>Today, Explained</em> co-host Noel King about the history of national emergencies, what Trump can do with his powers, and whether Congress should do something about it. An excerpt of their conversation, edited for length and clarity, is below. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>I don&#8217;t think most Americans feel like we&#8217;re living in a time of eight distinct emergencies that we weren&#8217;t living in six months ago. Why does the president do this?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A national emergency declaration is an extraordinarily powerful thing. It unlocks enhanced powers that are contained in 150 different provisions of law, all of which say something like, “In a national emergency, the president can do X,” or, ”In a national emergency, the president doesn&#8217;t have to do Y.” These are powers that allow the president to take actions that go beyond what Congress has authorized in nonemergency situations. In some cases, they allow him to take actions that Congress has expressly<em> prohibited</em> in nonemergency situations. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This can be a very tempting tool in order to implement policy in situations where there&#8217;s not sufficient support from Congress or where Congress has actually prohibited that policy. You can see why the temptation is there for presidents to use these powers rather than go through the normal policy-making and law-making process.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>President Trump sometimes behaves as if the emergency powers were granted by God, but actually what you&#8217;re saying is: They come from Congress. This is Congress saying, “We will allow you to have additional power in times of emergency.” When and why did Congress initially do this?&nbsp;&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Congress has been providing these powers to the president since the founding.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Our current system, in which the president declares a national emergency, and that declaration unlocks powers that are included in other statutes, dates back to World War I. This system where Congress would talk about national emergencies and then the president started issuing declarations of national emergency evolved organically. In fact, the organic nature of it turned out to be a problem, because there was no overarching law that governed the process. There was no time limit on how long an emergency could stay in place. There was no reporting to Congress.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This is why Congress, in the 1970s, enacted the National Emergencies Act. It placed a time limit on how long an emergency declaration could stay in place without being renewed by the president. The NEA also, as originally enacted, gave Congress the power to terminate an emergency declaration using a legislative veto. That&#8217;s a law that goes into effect with a simple majority of both houses of Congress and without the president&#8217;s signature. That was a ready means for Congress to shut down an emergency declaration that was either inappropriate or was lasting too long.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But then in 1983, the Supreme Court held that legislative vetoes are unconstitutional. So today, if Congress wants to terminate an emergency declaration, it basically has to pass a law by a veto-proof supermajority, which is next to impossible in today&#8217;s political climate.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>How far can the president go with emergency powers? What kinds of things could he do?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If you look at these 150 powers that are at the president&#8217;s disposal in a national emergency, a lot of them really do seem reasonable on their face. They seem measured, something that you would want and expect the president to have.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But others seem like the stuff of authoritarian regimes. There is a law that dates back to 1942 that allows the president to take over or shut down communications facilities. This was last invoked in World War II. Today, it could arguably be used to assert control over US-based internet traffic.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There&#8217;s another law, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, that allows the president to freeze the assets of almost anyone, including a US person, if the president deems it necessary to address a foreign or partially foreign threat.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In fact, the president can also make it illegal for anyone to engage in any financial transactions with that person, including something as simple as renting them an apartment or giving them a job or even selling them groceries. So these are some really alarming authorities in terms of the potential for abuse.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>You&#8217;ve laid out why granting some of these powers does make sense in times of emergency. Some of them, though, seem like a lot of power. Donald Trump is a highly unusual American president. Is it possible that Congress made a mistake in assuming that every American president would be like the guy who came before?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes. Congress made a mistake.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To be fair, Congress did give itself a ready means of terminating emergency declarations, and Congress did not foresee that the Supreme Court was going to take that off the table.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">However, I think it was a mistake to leave the law in place as it was without that safeguard. I think it is time —&nbsp;past time — for a reckoning for Congress, to not only reform the process of national emergency declarations and the termination of those declarations, but also to look at some of these individual powers like the Communications Act, which allows the president to take over or shut down communications facilities, and the power over domestic transportation. Congress should put some limits and safeguards on those powers.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[What Pope Leo XIV’s history can tell us about his papacy]]></title>
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			<updated>2025-05-09T16:52:52-04:00</updated>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Pope Leo XIV, formerly known as Robert Prevost, is the first American pontiff.&#160; He was elected on Thursday, less than three weeks after the death of Pope Francis, and his elevation immediately made history. Leo&#160;grew up in Chicago, majored in math at Villanova University, and spent decades serving the Catholic Church in Peru.&#160; Significantly, Pope [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Pope Leo XIV, formerly known as Robert Prevost, is the <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/pope-leo-xiv-born-in-chicago-grew-up-dolton-illinois/">first American pontiff</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He was elected on Thursday, less than three weeks after the death of Pope Francis, and his elevation immediately made history. Leo&nbsp;grew up in Chicago, majored in math at Villanova University, and spent decades serving the Catholic Church in Peru.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Significantly, Pope Leo is also the first pontiff to hail from the Augustinian order, which was founded in 1244.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The Augustinians are a <a href="https://augustinian.org/about/order/">mendicant order</a>, which means they rely largely on charitable donations for their needs. They prioritize community and missionary work, with a special emphasis on serving the poor and the weak.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Those beliefs may have influenced Leo’s decision, while he was still a cardinal, to <a href="https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-twitter-x-trump-vance-criticism-9c311123985ebce282877071f75b6d80">share critiques</a> of the Trump administration online, particularly on issues of immigration —&nbsp;which puts him at odds with another prominent American Catholic: Vice President JD Vance.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In <a href="https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1884795801739710691">a January interview</a> with Fox News, Vance used his faith as a justification for the Trump administration’s America First agenda. “You love your family and then you love your neighbor, and then you love your community, and then you love your fellow citizens in your own country, and then after that, you can focus [on] and prioritize the rest of the world,” Vance said.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Shortly after that interview, Leo <a href="https://x.com/drprevost/status/1886469097560719594">shared</a> a link to a National Catholic Reporter <a href="https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/guest-voices/jd-vance-wrong-jesus-doesnt-ask-us-rank-our-love-others">article</a> titled “JD Vance Is Wrong: Jesus Doesn&#8217;t Ask Us to Rank Our Love for Others.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>Today, Explained</em> wanted to get to know this new pope and better understand why the conclave selected him. So we called up Terence Sweeney. He’s an assistant teaching professor in the humanities department and honors program at Villanova University — not only the pope’s alma mater (class of ’77) but also the only Augustinian university in the United States. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">His conversation with Noel King, edited for length and clarity, is below. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>How surprised were you [by Pope Leo’s selection]?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I was both surprised and not surprised. I&#8217;ve been talking about him with friends and students for the past couple of weeks. Yesterday morning, I popped into the office of Father Allen, an Augustinian on campus, and I said, ‘Are we gonna have an Augustinian pope?’ And he said he didn&#8217;t think so.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Sure enough, a few hours later, I got a text message from my friend who said, ‘You called it.’&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But at the same time, I was very surprised. I was hopeful for him, but he&#8217;s an American, and traditionally, that&#8217;s seen as, ‘Oh, it won&#8217;t happen.’ So I both kind of called it and was totally shocked.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>So tell us who he is. Who is Robert Prevost, or Pope Leo XIV?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Prevost is a kid who grew up in Chicago and went to Villanova University. He had met Augustinians as a young man and joined the order just after college. Maybe most notably, [he] then proceeded to spend most of his life as a priest and then a bishop in the missions in Peru. He could have gotten assigned to a nice parish in a wealthier part of the United States, but instead, he went to Peru to be with the poor, to do work there, to do ministry there, and I think that&#8217;s in many ways the heart of who he is.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">You can think about it like this: I have a pretty cushy spot at Villanova. I have a house. It’s comfortable. To suddenly shift gears to a totally new culture, learning the language fully in a place that maybe doesn&#8217;t have as many perks as an American suburban parish might, I think that&#8217;s a real sign of wanting to be with those on the margins of global power and economics.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve had a pope in centuries who has had this experience of working in the missions. We&#8217;ve had pastor popes, scholar popes, diplomat popes. But a pope who spent most of his life in a poor part of a country doing missionary work —&nbsp;I don&#8217;t even know if we&#8217;ve ever had one.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>When Pope Francis died, there was a big conversation about whether the church would pick somebody who was more traditional or who was viewed as more progressive, the way Pope Francis was. What kind of choice is Pope Leo XIV? Where does he fall on that spectrum?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In some ways,&nbsp;like Pope Francis, he kind of throws us off of these spectrums.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He took the name Leo, which is a pretty traditional papal name. He&#8217;s the 14th, right? He&#8217;s not the first. He&#8217;s closely identifying with both the first Pope Leo, Pope Saint Leo the Great, and Pope Leo XIII, who are richly part of the tradition. Leo XIII is notable for his work on something called <a href="https://catholicreview.org/who-was-pope-leo-xiii-the-father-of-social-doctrine/">Catholic social thought</a>: what the church brings to the questions of economics and justice and politics. And that has tended to be something that what we call progressive Catholics have really centered on.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I think it was also notable that the language of his <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/08/world/europe/pope-leo-xiv-speech-transcript.html">first address</a> to the people in St. Peter&#8217;s Square was richly tied in with Pope Francis: He talked about bridge-building and peace being with <em>all</em> of you. And I think there are some signs that he wants to carry on a lot of what Pope Francis did, but maybe make more connections, we might say, between the kind of Pope Francis side of the church and the Pope Benedict side.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>You’ve mentioned several times that he is an Augustinian. What is an Augustinian, exactly?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The Augustinians are a group of friars. They were <a href="https://augustinian.org/about/order/">founded</a> in 1244, and they&#8217;re grounded in three principles: living in community, a really strong sense that wherever we go, we go together. [A] deep sense of the heart. If you ever see an icon of St. Augustine, he&#8217;s often holding a heart. [That symbolizes] the sense that what we need to do is make connections with other people in their hearts. And a really strong call to the mission to go out. The original Augustinians often went into cities and various places to be with people where they were.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>After Robert Prevost was chosen yesterday, immediately it came to the surface that he had expressed some opinions on immigration. I saw people —&nbsp;and you had written about this in the past —&nbsp;drawing a line between the Augustinian tradition and the current controversies that the United States is facing over immigration. What is the Augustinian position on immigration?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Fundamentally, one of the most important parts of being an Augustinian is sometimes called the <a href="https://www.reformedclassicalist.com/home/ordo-amoris">order of loves</a>. It&#8217;s this idea that our hearts need to grow. Our hearts can get very narrow. We can fall in love only with ourselves. So we need to find a way to have our hearts expand to make room for God, who is infinite. When you make room for God, you make room for everyone, particularly for those in need. One of the big tasks of his pontificate for Americans — for all kinds of Catholics, all kinds of people — is helping us broaden our hearts.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Notably, we have a vice president who&#8217;s Catholic. JD Vance has spoken about the order of loves. You can think about what he said as having a lot of the right words, but getting the tune wrong. He <a href="https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1884795801739710691">described</a> one of the very important ideas that the order of loves teaches us: that we rightly prioritize people who are closer to us. He&#8217;s emphasizing that and saying: Americans rightly prioritize Americans. But he&#8217;s missing the point of the order of loves, that [the heart] was supposed to expand, to go outward. Whereas Vance seems to be talking about it as a way of retracting and going inward.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Pope Francis <a href="https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2025/02/12/bishops-pope-francis-trump-deportation-249919">challenged</a> him on this. Then Prevost retweeted <a href="https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2025/02/12/bishops-pope-francis-trump-deportation-249919">an article in <em>America </em>magazine</a> about challenging Vance on this. That’s an early indication that he, as pope, is going to very much stand with a broadening of our loves.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>It is very 2025 for a new pope to be retweeting criticism of a vice president. What do you think it tells us about Pope Leo XIV?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I think that he sees his office as a bishop, and now as bishop of Rome, as a prophetic one. He has a task of prophetic witness. That prophetic witness is going to speak about a lot of things. He is going to speak about the environment. He will definitely speak about immigration. He is going to speak about abortion. He is going to speak about a number of things that are going to throw American binaries off.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We have to keep in mind that he&#8217;s a profoundly pro-refugee and pro-life pope, and something I share with him, the sense that the love that we broaden out is meant to go particularly to the smallest and the most forgotten. And I think he sees that, and I think he&#8217;s going to speak in that prophetic witness as did the popes before him.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[How Trump is rewriting American history]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[History has been disappearing from government websites.   First, it was Stonewall. The word “transgender” was removed from the National Park Service page commemorating the 1969 Stonewall Uprising, at which trans activists Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera played a central role. The acronym LGBTQ was also changed to just “LGB.”  Then, Harriet Tubman was erased [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">History has been <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/400705/internet-purge-offline-government-website-archive-trump">disappearing from government websites</a>.  </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">First, it was Stonewall. The word <a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/g-s1-48923/stonewall-monument-transgender-park-service">“transgender” was removed</a> from the National Park Service page commemorating the 1969 Stonewall Uprising, at which trans activists Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera played a central role. The acronym LGBTQ was also changed to just “LGB.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then, <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-park-service-restores-harriet-tubman-feature-webpage/story?id=120605884">Harriet Tubman was erased</a> from a page about the Underground Railroad, and the language changed to highlight “Black/white cooperation.” A page about <a href="https://apnews.com/article/jackie-robinson-defense-department-webpage-beed0c8883e7a31af0d9a71615cc643d">Jackie Robinson’s Army service was taken down</a> from the Pentagon’s website. (Both pages were later restored after public criticism.) A Washington Post investigation also found that at least <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/04/06/national-park-service-underground-railroad-history-slavery/">half a dozen pages referencing the Little Rock Nine</a>, the Black students who integrated an Arkansas high school in the 1950s, previously said the students had “opened doors” for those seeking “equality and education.” Now, the pages say the students were just seeking “education.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The edits come amid the Trump administration’s push to <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/">end DEI</a> and “<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/">restore truth and sanity</a>” to American history, an effort causing alarm among historians like Yale professor David W. Blight. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In an interview with Noel King on <em>Today, Explained, </em>Blight says the changes amount to a brazen attempt to rewrite our past — but that America is no stranger to revisionist history. The country has rewritten and re-saved and re-pushed its narrative of events so many times that it might as well look like the filename of a high schooler’s final project. </p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">Below is an excerpt of the conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>, or wherever else you get your podcasts.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Reporters will often say, “Donald Trump is unprecedented. The things that he does are unprecedented.” But I imagine you would tell me that the United States has tried to rewrite its own history, at certain points. </strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Many times, yes.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Give me some examples of the times we&#8217;ve tried to do this.&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During World War II, the United States created a massive propaganda machine called the Office of War Information. That&#8217;s what governments do during wartime. That organization did indeed engage in a lot of propaganda, selling stories to keep Americans patriotic.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Moving ahead from that to McCarthyism: Anti-communism was a very deep phenomenon in America — and not without some reason in the ’30s and ’40s. But McCarthyism caused a wave of attempts of trying to control what writers wrote, what historians could teach, who could teach anything. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Let&#8217;s take the Civil War. In 1865 to 1870, there was an organization in the South called the Southern Historical Society. That was originally made up mostly of former Confederate officers who were determined to try to control the story of what the war had been about, what they had actually fought for, what their crusade meant, what the Confederacy actually was.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>What was the story they were trying to sell?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They told a story that we&#8217;ve come to know as the “Confederate Lost Cause.” Namely, they were arguing early on that they did not really lose the war on the battlefield, they only lost to superior numbers and resources. They said they lost only to “the leviathan of northern industrialization.” There&#8217;s some truth in that, but that&#8217;s not the full explanation. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They also argued that the war was not really about slavery. It was really about state sovereignty and states&#8217; rights. It was really about resisting the federal interference with their lives and their civilization and their morays and folkways…</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Can I jump in and tell you something?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Sure.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>I&#8217;m from central New York. I went to public school. That was what I learned.&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Wow.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Why did I learn something that wasn&#8217;t true in public school?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Because over time, in culture, schooling, politics, and rituals from the 1870s and ’80s well on into the 20th century — and still surviving in a textbook you were learning from in the 1990s, I am sorry to hear — was this idea that the United States divided had this all-out horrific war. But it had to put itself back together again. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">How do you put back together something so horrifically divided? You&#8217;re going to have to find mutuality. You&#8217;re going to have to find some kind of unified narrative. Well, one of the unified narratives they did develop in the 19th century — and there&#8217;s reality to this — is that you unify around the valor of soldiers. But if we admire valor without ever looking at the cause for which they fought, it&#8217;s of course limited. </p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, the typical and powerful belief was that everybody in that war fought for the cause they believed in. And if you fought for the cause you believed in with great valor,&nbsp;you fought for the right [reasons]. Everybody was equal in valor. The causes had to be muted, put aside. Well, you know, that&#8217;s a part of human relations as well: How do you keep a family together? Well, there&#8217;s some things you don&#8217;t talk about.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But for nations and whole peoples and cultures, the danger in this is that the stories you take on, the stories that you develop that define the identity of your nation — the identity of your past and now your future — is going to leave somebody out. In fact, it may end up allowing you to reconcile on the backs of those who most suffered from the conflict you are trying to reconcile. Obviously, in America, that meant Black Americans. It meant their civil and political rights, which were created and then slowly but surely abandoned and then crushed in the Jim Crow system of the South. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, the point of all of this is that the Confederate Lost Cause, which said the South fought for noble ends, they fought for their homes, they fought for their sovereignty, they fought for their integrity. … It eventually becomes, though, not a story of loss at all. It becomes, by the 1890s and into the 20th century, a victory narrative. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This was an age of a lot of sentimental literature. Americans came to love stories of the Old South. Of course, it&#8217;s there in <em><a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/22312274/content-warnings-explained-conversation">Gone With the Wind</a></em>, still, maybe the most famous movie ever made. So the Lost Cause was both a political movement and it was a literary movement. But it was at its core a racial ideology, and it lasted a very long time. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Let&#8217;s compare to what we&#8217;re seeing today. What you&#8217;re talking about with these popular books and </strong><strong><em>Gone With the Wind</em></strong><strong>, that seems to me more subtle than the president saying, “You delete that information about Jackie Robinson&#8217;s military service from the website.” Will what Trump is doing succeed because it is so unsubtle? </strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That&#8217;s a very good question and my instinctive answer — and it’s partly my wishful answer — is that no he won&#8217;t. It is not subtle, you&#8217;re right: They&#8217;re wiping out websites. They are explicitly saying, “Professional history, whether it&#8217;s in our greatest museums or our greatest university, has been teaching us all the wrong ways. They&#8217;ve been dividing us.” This is the word they love to use: The history we write has been divisive, divisive, divisive. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Well, no, it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s simply informative. Sometimes it gets people riled up and sometimes it gets them arguing and sometimes fighting. But what the Trumpists are doing is telling us that they know better — policy people at the Heritage Foundation or pseudo-historians who think that studying all this stuff about race, gender, all the ethnicities that make us up, all this pluralism, is just taking away from “American greatness.” They use that term a lot: “We&#8217;re no longer teaching our youth about American greatness.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes we are! We&#8217;re teaching our youth that our greatness is in the pluralism. Our greatness is in the amazing strivings and triumphs of all kinds of people in the past who challenged power.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">What will you know about World War I if you try to find nothing but greatness? What will you know about the history of imperialism and expansion if all you wanna know is about greatness? What will you actually know about Native American history if all you look for is greatness?&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It defies the intelligence of anyone with an education, and a whole lot of people who don&#8217;t have a lot of formal education. I&#8217;m not very optimistic right now about what&#8217;s going on, but I do have a certain faith that people just aren&#8217;t going to buy this.</p>

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			<updated>2025-04-10T15:26:50-04:00</updated>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[The Trump administration has been arresting and detaining protesters who participated in pro-Palestinian demonstrations. They have justified the action by calling those protesters —&#160;without evidence —&#160;“Hamas supporters.”&#160;&#160; In so doing, the administration appears to be following Project Esther, a plan from the Heritage Foundation with the stated purpose of cracking down on antisemitism. Published in [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">The Trump administration has been arresting and detaining protesters who <a href="https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/03/21/trump-deportation-columbia-university-palestinian-protest-mahmoud-khalil-badar-khan-suri/">participated</a> in pro-Palestinian demonstrations. They have justified the action by calling those protesters —&nbsp;<a href="https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5326015/mahmoud-khalil-deportation-arrests-trump">without evidence</a> —&nbsp;“Hamas supporters.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In so doing, the administration appears to be following <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/03/25/project-esther-trump-protests-deportations">Project Esther</a>, a plan from the Heritage Foundation with the stated purpose of cracking down on antisemitism. Published in October, it is seen as an addendum to Heritage’s better-known <a href="https://www.vox.com/politics/360318/project-2025-trump-policies-abortion-divorce">Project 2025</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Project Esther —&nbsp;which appears to have been written by evangelical Christians <a href="https://forward.com/forward-newsletters/antisemitism-notebook/664258/the-group-behind-project-2025-has-a-new-plan-to-fight-antisemitism/">with almost no Jewish input</a> — asserts that the country is facing a collection of “virulently anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, and anti-American groups” that it calls the “<a href="https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/report/project-esther-national-strategy-combat-antisemitism">Hamas Support Network.</a>” It names organizations like the left-leaning nonprofit <a href="https://www.tides.org/">Tides Foundation</a> and <a href="https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/">Jewish Voice for Peace</a> among the perpetrators.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Project Esther calls for the administration to rebrand pro-Palestinian supporters as Hamas supporters. It suggests public firings of pro-Palestinian professors and the deportation of student visa and green-card holders who have spoken critically of Israel, and advocates using anti-racketeering laws to break up pro-Palestinian groups.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To be very clear, there <a href="https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according">has been a rise</a> in antisemitic incidents in the U.S. since the outset of the war in Gaza. But Project Esther suggests that any protest — any critique of Israel — is likely antisemitic and should be dealt with accordingly.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While some Jewish groups have come out <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/03/31/college-campus-antisemitism-trump-nexus-project">in support</a> of Project Esther’s proposals, others have rejected it as a Christian nationalist project.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Dove Kent is among those who reject Project Esther. Kent is the US senior director of the <a href="https://diasporaalliance.co/">Diaspora Alliance</a>, a nonprofit that aims to combat antisemitism and its distortion. Kent joined Noel King on <em>Today, Explained </em>to discuss her response to the plan —&nbsp;and why she thinks it will ultimately stoke antisemitism, not mitigate it.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Below is an excerpt of the conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL3RvZGF5LWV4cGxhaW5lZA==">Google Podcasts</a>, and <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>One thing that we&#8217;ve learned over the last 18 months or so is that there are different definitions of antisemitism. How do you and the Diaspora Alliance define it?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Sure. What I&#8217;ll say is that there&#8217;s actually not a lot of difference in how most Jews or scholars define the basics of antisemitism. [From <a href="https://diasporaalliance.co/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/What-is-Antisemitism_-Diaspora-Alliance-.pdf">Diaspora Alliance</a>: “The term antisemitism describes hostility, discrimination, prejudice, and violence toward Jews as Jews.”]&nbsp;What people disagree on is how and when that is applied to Israel. And so a lot of the fights over the definitions are actually proxy fights for people&#8217;s politics about Israel and Palestine.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Okay, you nailed it there, the really important thing: There&#8217;s a spectrum of beliefs even within the Jewish community about how questioning Israel relates to antisemitism. Where do you personally fall on this spectrum?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I think that whether speech or conduct about Zionism in Israel is antisemitic should be based on the standards for speech or conduct that apply to antisemitic behavior in general. But as a general rule, criticism of Zionism and Israel, opposition to Israel&#8217;s policies, nonviolent political action directed at the state of Israel or its policies are not inherently antisemitic.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>All right, let&#8217;s get into the topic at hand, which is Project Esther. Do you remember when you first heard about Project Esther?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Yes. It was published on the one-year anniversary of October 7. So it was published on October 7, 2024, and right away, my colleagues and I were very alarmed by this plan.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When Project Esther was rolled out, most Jewish institutions that you might imagine might be aligned with this had nothing to say because they&#8217;d never heard of it. There are basically no Jews involved in this plan to supposedly dismantle antisemitism:&nbsp;The Heritage Foundation is the core author and other allied organizations [contributed], many of them Christian nationalist organizations.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Throughout the plan, they misuse Jewish text, they refer to Jewish groups with the wrong terms, they call Jewish positions on antisemitism “inexplicable.” In an interview with a member of the Heritage Foundation, they said something along the lines of, “If Jews were doing their job countering antisemitism, we wouldn&#8217;t be in the position we&#8217;re in now.” So the plan really derides Jews throughout it. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Project Esther is named after a figure, Queen Esther. What&#8217;s Queen Esther&#8217;s story?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The <a href="https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/esther-bible">Book of Esther</a> is a text the Jews read once a year on the holiday of Purim. In the story, Queen Esther makes an intervention with the king. [As a result], a mortal decree that the king&#8217;s adviser had made against the Jewish people is instead turned against the adviser. So the victims become the heroes. But within the story is also the idea that those lines are not so binary and that what is good and what is evil may change. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The story of Esther has been repurposed by far-right Christian political movements. There&#8217;s a phrase from the text that Esther was “put into a position of power for such a time as this.” And that phrase has been used by extremist groups like Moms for Liberty, protesters at the US Capitol on January 6, the Esther <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/2024-election-conservative-christian-women.html">Call to the Mall</a> that brought hundreds of evangelical women to DC to protest reproductive rights.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Queen Esther is invoked for this idea of spiritual warfare that must be waged against evil in the world, this battle against demonic forces that Christian nationalists believe they are in. So it makes sense that the Heritage Foundation would invoke this Christian nationalist frame for a kind of warfare against liberal civil society.<em>&nbsp;</em></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Your reaction on reading [Project Esther] is what, exactly? Do you think what they&#8217;re suggesting will work, would work?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">No. We cannot terrorize or incarcerate or deport or fire or infiltrate our way out of antisemitism. That&#8217;s just not how it works. And we certainly can&#8217;t dismantle constitutional protections as a way to combat antisemitism when we know that Jewish safety in the U.S. depends on constitutional democracy and minority protections.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So deporting international students doesn&#8217;t combat antisemitism. Public firings don&#8217;t combat antisemitism. Withholding funds from research institutions doesn&#8217;t combat antisemitism, arresting activists doesn&#8217;t combat antisemitism. And there is no city or country in the world where these kinds of actions have been applied that have seen any increase in Jewish safety or decrease in antisemitic ideas or behaviors.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>We&#8217;ve seen the Trump administration come out and, for example, insist that Mahmoud Khalil is a supporter of Hamas. When asked for evidence, the administration hasn&#8217;t been able to provide anything. Now, Project Esther names a “Hamas Support Network” as the root of a lot of antisemitism. This is not a real organization. So what is the goal of saying Mahmoud Khalil and people like him are part of the “Hamas Support Network”?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This phrase, “Hamas Support Network”, was made up by the Heritage Foundation and its allies as a smear for any organization that supports Palestinian rights and humanity. This is part of an effort to completely conflate support for Palestinian rights and humanity with support for Hamas.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Project Esther&#8217;s scope extends well beyond these groups to target a wide spectrum of liberal donors, foundations, and organizations that also do not in any way support Hamas. The plan even names anti-capitalist groups, claiming that they align with America&#8217;s overseas enemies. All of this just sets the stage for guilt by association and exposes the true intent of Project Esther, which is dismantling civil society institutions such as universities and nonprofit organizations as a way to get rid of any domestic opposition to the administration, all under the guise of protecting Jews.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There&#8217;s another important note here. What they&#8217;re doing with the term “Hamas Support Network” is trying to create in the minds of Americans a whole class of people who are associated with terrorism and violence and therefore do not deserve the protections of US law, including immigration law. So when the administration starts to detain and deport people through illegal means as they are currently doing, they are banking that Americans won&#8217;t protest. It&#8217;s directly connected to what they&#8217;re doing in sending immigrants to prison in El Salvador under the false premise that they&#8217;re all connected to a violent gang.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">One other thing I&#8217;ll say is that Project Esther has literally nothing to say about the firehose of antisemitism and conspiracy theories coming out of the far right in this country, which are the leading drivers of antisemitic violence in the US according to any and every serious study. So the sole target of this is pro-Palestinian groups and beyond who they accuse of being not just antisemitics but also anti-American.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>What does all of this mean for Jews in the United States?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Well, the Trump administration&#8217;s initial attacks that we are seeing as the very clear rollout of Project Esther don&#8217;t just not work against antisemitism. They actively stoke antisemitism by making Jews the face of authoritarian crackdowns.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">People are losing their jobs. They&#8217;re losing funding for critical scientific research. They&#8217;re losing their freedoms, supposedly in our name. This feeds into antisemitic conspiracy theories about shadowy, outsized Jewish power and makes Jews the one to blame for the longtime Christian nationalist goal of dismantling higher education. So the immediate and long-term impact of Project Esther, ironically, is an increase in antisemitism across the country, on top of the incredible harm being done to international students, educators, researchers, and all of us who benefit from free speech and academic inquiry.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This is an effective strategy by the right because they&#8217;re executing the policies they want to anyway, but they&#8217;re doing so in the name of fighting antisemitism. The erosion of those rights makes all communities less safe, including Jews, and any work to carve out exceptions, whoever they target or claim to protect, undermines the universal protection that actually makes us all safe.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I&#8217;ll also say that it is abundantly clear that the Trump administration is not truly working on behalf of Jewish safety. Trump&#8217;s right-hand man, Elon Musk, is working to dismantle the federal government while repopularizing the Nazi salute, running a platform rife with antisemitic conspiracies, and encouraging German politicians to abandon their post-Holocaust commitment to keeping far-right extremists out of power. The administration is filled with appointees who have long histories of spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories. They&#8217;ve defunded the Office of Civil Rights for universities, which is the very body that is tasked with reviewing and enforcing rules against antisemitism and other forms of discrimination on campus. It&#8217;s also clear that no one in this administration cares about bigotry or discrimination of any kind, unless it&#8217;s an invented and inverted anti-white or anti-Christian discrimination. And American Jews can see that this administration is not truly fighting for our safety.</p>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Government websites have undergone massive changes since President Donald Trump returned to office. Some of the changes are routine — like swapping out the current president and vice president for their predecessors on the White House’s official site. But other changes go much further. Several sites — like USAID.gov, ReproductiveRights.gov, and the Spanish-language version of [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Government websites have undergone massive changes since President Donald Trump returned to office.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Some of the changes are routine — like swapping out the current president and vice president for their predecessors on the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/">White House’s official site</a>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But other changes go much further. Several sites — like <a href="http://usaid.gov">USAID.gov</a>, <a href="http://reproductiverights.gov">ReproductiveRights.gov</a>, and the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/es/">Spanish-language version of WhiteHouse.gov</a> — have gone offline. Remaining sites have been <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/health/trump-cdc-dei-gender.html">scrubbed</a> of certain data and terminology in order to comply with Trump’s executive orders targeting “<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/">gender ideology</a>” and <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/">DEI</a>. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s an acceleration of a problem known as <a href="https://www.theverge.com/24236556/wayback-machine-linkrot-internet-archive-web-ai-mark-graham-decoder-interview-podcast">digital decay</a> — or linkrot. Large quantities of the internet are disappearing as media outlets go under, companies upgrade their web infrastructure, or organizations take down information they believe is no longer valuable or relevant. A recent Pew Research Center study found that 38 percent of <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/data-labs/2024/05/17/when-online-content-disappears/">webpages that existed in 2013 are no longer available</a>. Because so much of our culture now happens online, losing those pages means losing part of the record of ourselves. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Mark Graham, director of the <a href="https://web.archive.org/">Wayback Machine</a>, joined Sean Rameswaram on <em>Today, Explained</em> to talk about digital decay, what his team is doing to combat the problem both generally and during Trump’s second term, and why internet preservation is so important. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Below is an excerpt of the conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>, and <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/vox/today-explained">Stitcher</a>.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>For people who have maybe stumbled upon your website but don&#8217;t really know what you do, can you give them a sense of the things that you guys have saved in 30 years?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Where do I begin? It&#8217;s like walking into a very large library and saying, “Show me your favorite book.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Last year, there was a big news story that <a href="https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/mtv-news-website-archives-pulled-offline-1236047163/">MTV News was shut down</a>. The founding editor wrote about it on LinkedIn, and there were a lot of other editors talking about it: “My God, all of our articles are gone. They&#8217;re missing.” And I just casually waded into the conversation and went, “Hi, um … check the Wayback Machine.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They were like, ‘Oh my God, you guys got it all. What did you do?’ We didn&#8217;t do anything<em> when the site went down</em> because we&#8217;ve been doing our job all along. We&#8217;ve been working to archive the public web, as it’s published, on an ongoing continuous basis. If we have to start paying attention to something after it&#8217;s gone down, that means we screwed up.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>So what are you guys  doing in advance of these sites going down to make sure that people can find out what Everlast was singing about in 2004? </strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We set our web crawlers and archiving software out on a mission every day to identify and to download web pages and related web-based resources. We bring in millions and millions of URLs every day that are signals of where new material is being published on the web. And we make sure that we archive all of those URLs and all the web pages associated with those URLs.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then, we look at those pages, and we identify links to other pages. And then we go to <em>those</em> pages and we archive them. That&#8217;s where you get this metaphor of crawling like a spider throughout this web.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The net result of it is that we add more than a billion archived URLs to the Wayback Machine every day. This material that’s added to the Wayback Machine is indexed and it&#8217;s immediately available to people who go to web dot archive.org and enter in a URL. They are then able to see a history of archives that we have of that web page that was available from the URL at any given time.&nbsp;</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“That&#8217;s where you get this metaphor of crawling like a spider throughout this web.” </p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>I want to talk about government websites, because that&#8217;s the reason we&#8217;re having this conversation today. I think most people probably think the government will take care of archiving government websites. But here we are in a new administration and websites are disappearing, coming back online, and people are worried. When you — an archivist of the internet — see this happening, how do you react to that? Is it better or worse than regular, non-governmental websites going offline?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Well, as an American, my tax dollars help pay for some of this stuff and much of it is a benefit to people. Certainly my first reaction is: That might not be such a good thing. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I do want to underscore that the National Archives and Records Administration does do archiving as well, and the Library of Congress. So it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re the only game in town. But for whatever reason, we seem to be one of the main players in the space of trying to archive much of the public web, including — and right now, especially — US government websites and making those archives available in near real time. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Were you caught off-guard when you saw the new administration removing web pages, removing websites?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In some respects, this is normal and expected. It&#8217;s what&#8217;s happened, frankly, for each administration in the time that we&#8217;ve been working on this effort. I mean, look, it&#8217;s under new management, right? You wouldn’t expect the WhiteHouse.gov website under any new presidential administration to be the same as it was before. You&#8217;re going to see the bios of the people that are part of the current administration, the news of that administration. We go out of our way to try to anticipate the frequency in which web pages should be archived so that we have a pretty good shot at getting those changes. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>You&#8217;re saying that the WhiteHouse.gov site obviously changes administration to administration. I think to some degree people understand that: Joe Biden&#8217;s administration probably wouldn&#8217;t have been posting trolly Valentines about immigration to their Instagram account a year ago. But what we&#8217;re seeing here is websites that people need — websites that record public health information going offline — briefly, permanently, what have you. </strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>Is that a different degree of erasing the historical record — or messing with the historical record — than we’ve seen? </strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That’s true. It is. It’s different. It&#8217;s certainly different in terms of the number [of changes] — seemingly! We&#8217;re still in the early stages of this administration, but yeah, I&#8217;d say on the face of it, you&#8217;re right. Historically, we haven&#8217;t seen major US government websites taken offline like we did, for example, with regard to USAID. But I&#8217;m going to leave that kind of analysis to others, and  really just focus on trying to archive the material.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>The Wayback Machine and the Internet Archive are mostly funded through donations: the generosity of people, institutions, even governments. Is that going to be enough to archive the internet to the extent that future generations will want and need?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Enough” is a very subjective term. As an archivist, for me, it&#8217;s never enough. I don&#8217;t know, and no one knows, what is going to be of use, value, importance in the future — maybe even the near future of tomorrow, much less the very far-off future. Since millions of people use our site on a daily basis, we get a lot of feedback from them. It motivates us, but it also helps direct us and inspires us to continuously try to do a better job at being the best library that we can be.</p>

<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>“As an archivist, for me, it&#8217;s never enough.”</p></blockquote></figure>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>You guys have been at this for nearly three decades. Certainly, you&#8217;ve saved a lot of stuff. Certainly, a lot of stuff has fallen through the cracks. I wonder, is there something that slipped through the cracks that might suggest to our audience what is lost when we can&#8217;t archive to the extent we want to, or need to?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Okay, I got one! This is just in recent history. Apparently there was a page up on the CDC website about bird flu last week that was only up for a few minutes, and no one got it.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>And by losing that fleeting web page, that one maybe minor, maybe major web page about bird flu on the CDC website, what are we losing?</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Well, we&#8217;re losing part of the story, right? We&#8217;re losing part of our understanding of the evolution of arguably a significant health issue. We don&#8217;t know where this is going to go. I guess that&#8217;s the other point, right? You don&#8217;t know now what is going to be very important in the near or longer term.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the time of Martin Luther, there were raging debates. Much of that debate took the form of things that were written on pamphlets. The pamphlets at the time were considered of little value: People read them and they shared them, but they didn&#8217;t necessarily save them. So today, a scholar of that time — or someone like me, who is strangely curious — what I would give for a collection of those pamphlets. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><strong>You are comparing, in a way, a CDC website to the Protestant Reformation. But I think you mean it, don&#8217;t you?&nbsp;</strong></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I do! Because I don&#8217;t <em>know</em>. One really <em>can&#8217;t </em>know without the benefit of the long historical view. That&#8217;s not something that we have access to today. Why? Because we don&#8217;t have a real time machine.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Why Trump pardoned the creator of “the Amazon of drugs”]]></title>
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			<updated>2025-01-30T14:23:57-05:00</updated>
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	Max Dickstein stands with other supporters of Ross Ulbricht, the alleged creator and operator of the Silk Road underground market, in front of a Manhattan federal court house on the first day of jury selection for his trial on January 13, 2015, in New York City. | Spencer Platt/Getty Images	</figcaption>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">The presidential changeover last week was accompanied by a flurry of pardons — <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/21/trump-biden-pardon-peril-00199816?nname=playbook&amp;nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&amp;nrid=0000014e-f116-dd93-ad7f-f917167b0000&amp;nlid=630318">stretching</a> the power of the pardon about as far as we’ve ever seen it go.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Outgoing President Joe Biden preemptively pardoned a group of people believed to be on the new administration’s “<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/28/trump-retribution-preparation-election-officials/">enemies list</a>”: members of his family, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Gen. Mark Milley, the Congressional Select Committee to Investigate January 6 Attack, and more.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Incoming President Donald Trump, meanwhile, <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/granting-pardons-and-commutation-of-sentences-for-certain-offenses-relating-to-the-events-at-or-near-the-united-states-capitol-on-january-6-2021/">pardoned</a> 1,500 Capitol riot insurrectionists, plus two <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pardons-two-dc-officers-convicted-fatal-chase-20-year-old-man-co-rcna188920">DC-area police officers</a> and <a href="https://apnews.com/article/abortion-trump-executive-order-pardon-817774b21d32a4edf6d39ee43cbc18f4">23 anti-abortion activists</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But even among the deluge, one pardon stood out: Trump granted clemency to <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pardons-silk-road-founder-ulbricht-online-drug-scheme-2025-01-22/">Ross Ulbricht</a>, the founder of the dark web drug marketplace Silk Road. In so doing, Trump fulfilled a campaign promise he made to libertarians and crypto fans alike, to whom Ulbricht is something of a folk hero.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton, author of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/318645/american-kingpin-by-nick-bilton/"><em>American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road</em></a>, joined <em>Today, Explained</em> to talk about how Ulbricht was originally captured, break down Trump’s decision to grant him clemency, and explain what it tells us about the new administration.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Below is an excerpt of the conversation, edited for length and clarity. There’s much more in the full podcast, so listen to <em>Today, Explained</em> wherever you get podcasts, including <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/today-explained/id1346207297">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3MuYXJ0MTkuY29tL3RvZGF5LWV4cGxhaW5lZA==">Google Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3pXx5SXzXwJxnf4A5pWN2A">Spotify</a>, and <a href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/vox/today-explained">Stitcher</a>.</p>

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<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">You say this pardon is inevitable. How come?&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Trump went to the Libertarian Convention in May. The room was filled with all these people, and they&#8217;re holding up these “Free Ross” signs. Everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth is met with a boo —&nbsp;except for when he says, “If you vote for me, on Day 1, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht.” That was when the room burst into applause and cheers. And so for me, it was like: If he was going to win — I believed he was going to win — then Ross was going to be freed.&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Who is Ross Ulbricht, a.k.a. Dread Pirate Roberts?</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton&nbsp;</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Ross Ulbricht is a guy who came from Austin, Texas. Upper-middle class, very nice, caring family. He was a really sweet kid. One of my favorite stories about him then is: He’s with a friend, walking down the street in Austin one day. He stops at the flower stall and buys some roses and then hands them back to the woman who works there and then continues to walk. His friend says, “Why&#8217;d you do that?” And he said, “Because no one ever buys flowers for the person who works at the flower stall.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Ulbricht goes off to college and he gets into — not <em>drugs</em>, but the stuff we all do: smoking a little weed and taking some acid. The usual stuff kids these days do in college.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He also falls deeply into the libertarian philosophy that the government should have no say in what you do with your own body: If you want to take drugs, you should be able to. He thinks that the problem with the war on drugs is that it has created a system where people only buy and sell these things in dark alleys and in dangerous places, which has led to so much crime around drugs and so on. And that if you legalized all drugs imaginable, you would essentially stop all the harm that happens to society. If you made it so that you could buy these drugs in an Amazon-like forum, people who sold bad drugs that killed people would get bad ratings, and you wouldn&#8217;t buy from them anymore. Good people that cut their drugs up really nicely would become the bestsellers, and so on.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He learns about this thing called the Tor Onion Browser. It&#8217;s an untraceable browser. Then along comes bitcoin, and he has this realization, like, “Oh my God, I can pair the Tor Onion browser with bitcoin, and I can create the website that is the Amazon of drugs.” That becomes the Silk Road.</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">What is Silk Road, beyond the Amazon of drugs?&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton&nbsp;</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">To prove his thesis, Ross Ulbricht rents a cottage in Bastrop Park in Austin, and he secretly starts to grow magic mushrooms. He does it, ironically, while he is watching the show <em>Breaking Bad</em>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Eventually, he gets enough mushrooms that he fills a big trash bag with them. He posts the mushrooms on his website and waits for a buyer. In the meantime, he goes to online forums and anonymously says, “Hey, has anyone seen this website, the Silk Road, where you can buy and sell drugs?”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then one day, someone orders some. He mails them, and he&#8217;s like, “Holy shit, I sold some drugs. This is amazing. It worked.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It started to spread, and soon people started listing other drugs, like marijuana and acid. A few months go by.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then, the <a href="https://www.gawkerarchives.com/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imag-30818160">website Gawker writes about it</a>. And in that moment, it explodes. It’s covered in the national news. The Chuck Schumer set finds out about it. This national attention turns into international attention, and before you know it, he&#8217;s selling hundreds of millions of dollars of drugs.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Silk Road starts to move to much more nefarious things than just basic weed and magic mushrooms. There&#8217;s a debate about whether they should sell body parts on the platform. They create another version of the site where they start selling guns. That proves to be more difficult because it&#8217;s harder to mail those to people. But it was a free-for-all. Anything you wanted to buy and sell was available on this marketplace, and all you needed was a few bitcoin and the Tor Onion Browser, and that was it.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It gets to a point where Ulbricht is making so much money, and so much is being sold on Silk Road, that it captures the attention of people in China who were starting to make fentanyl at the time. Silk Road enabled them to mail fentanyl to the US. You start to see the beginning of the fentanyl epidemic, and the first people affected by it are kids.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Of course the government was desperately trying to figure out how to stop it while all this was going on.&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">How do they catch the pirate?</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton&nbsp;</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the IRS are trying to solve the case. There&#8217;s a big meeting with all of the agencies, and they decide they&#8217;re going to do this big sting operation in San Francisco.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There was a little library there — just two stories tall. The Dread Pirate Roberts goes there to work, because he doesn&#8217;t like going on the internet to do his Silk Road work from his apartment in case it&#8217;s ever traced back. One day he goes to the local library in Bernal Heights, and he logs on. But two agents are sitting in the library across from him and they get into a fake screaming match. And when he looks up to see what&#8217;s going on, another agent swoops in, grabs the laptop, and the other agents arrest him.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">He&#8217;s sentenced for distributing narcotics, using the internet to distribute narcotics, all of these different things. And the judge said, “I believe that there are good in people and there are bad in people.” And she says, “I believe that there is good in you and bad in you. But what you did started an entire new paradigm of crime in this country, and people died as a result of it.”</p>

<h3 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h3>

<p class="has-text-align-none">How quickly does a movement to free him spring up?&nbsp;</p>

<h3 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton&nbsp;</h3>

<p class="has-text-align-none">It starts during the trial in 2015, and it grows and grows as crypto and bitcoin grow into mainstream topics. There&#8217;s an argument to be made that before the Silk Road and the Dread Pirate Roberts, there was nothing that you could do with bitcoin that made any sense. A lot of people got incredibly rich as a result of the things that Ross Ulbricht did, and they see him as a sort of bitcoin deity.&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Sean Rameswaram</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Nick, we know how this story ends. We know that Ulbricht, the Dread Pirate Roberts, gets a presidential pardon. When does Donald Trump enter the chat?</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none">Nick Bilton</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">When he was president as number 45, there were discussions, funnily enough, about pardoning Ulbricht on his way out. From what I have heard, there were a lot of people in the White House that didn&#8217;t want that to happen, because it wasn&#8217;t law and order. Trump 45 was very anti-drugs.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But Trump 47 is so enmeshed with the tech community. The tech community sees anything anyone does with technology as a good thing, and they lock arms and sail off into the sunset together.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Why everyone you know is running a marathon]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[The 2024 New York City Marathon officially broke the world record for marathon finishers, with 55,646 runners from all over the world crossing the finish line earlier this month. It’s a far cry from the race’s humble beginnings: In 1970, just 55 runners completed the race, which then only entailed laps around Central Park.&#160; The [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none">The 2024 New York City Marathon <a href="https://www.nyrr.org/media-center/press-release/2024_1104_tcsnycmbythenumbers">officially</a> broke the world record for marathon finishers, with 55,646 runners from all over the world crossing the finish line earlier this month. It’s a far cry from the race’s humble beginnings: In <a href="https://www.nyrr.org/tcsnycmarathon/getinspired/marathonhistory">1970</a>, just 55 runners completed the race, which then only entailed laps around Central Park.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The record-breaking participation in this month’s run came as no surprise to me, because I have seen the growing popularity of marathon running in my own life: This year, I cheered on six of my friends from the sidelines. And last year, I even ran the race myself.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In the past few years, my circle of 20- and 30-somethings has transitioned away from boozy late nights in favor of early-morning meetups at the track. Suddenly, I have strong opinions on brands of gels and shoes and run belts. I spend my weekends cheering at all sorts of races. Running culture has taken over our lives.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As it turns out, we’re part of a global trend toward marathon participation <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/briefing/boston-marathon-finish-times.html">in recent decades</a> — a phenomenon that’s been helped along further by the pandemic-era <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/sports/running-exercise-coronavirus.html">running boom</a>.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Twenty-somethings like me are a <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/04/running-marathon-quarter-life-crisis/678156/">big reason</a> for the jump: 15 percent of NYC Marathon finishers in 2019 were in their 20s. Just four years later, in 2023, they made up 19 percent, according to the Atlantic. At the Los Angeles Marathon those same years, the proportion of 20-something runners grew from 21 percent to 28 percent.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That growth prompted the Atlantic to dub running “<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/04/running-marathon-quarter-life-crisis/678156/">the new quarter-life crisis</a>.” And while “crisis” usually connotes some sort of negative spiral, my cohort’s new running obsession could be viewed less as a symptom of all that&#8217;s gone awry for our generation and more as a positive rebellion against it.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Why so many young people are taking up distance running</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Marathons in general are simply becoming more inclusive: Women’s participation was first allowed in the 1970s and has only recently started to achieve <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/280440/marathon-finishers-by-age-and-gender-united-states/">something like parity</a> with men’s. There are also more finishers <a href="https://www.runninginsight.com/closing-the-gap">of color</a>.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/GettyImages-515098618.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0.053022269353129,100,99.893955461294" alt="In a black-and-white photo, a woman and a crowd of men in athletic clothes and race numbers are running along a paved course, with one man in a jacket, pants, and tie, running alongside trying to stop the woman." title="In a black-and-white photo, a woman and a crowd of men in athletic clothes and race numbers are running along a paved course, with one man in a jacket, pants, and tie, running alongside trying to stop the woman." data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="The director of the Boston Marathon tries to grab a lone female runner, Kathrine Switzer, in 1967 when she ran the then all-male race. | Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Getty Images" />
<p class="has-text-align-none">But for the Gen Z demographic, another key driver is just … the way life is right now. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“A lot of them started running during the pandemic. A lot of them were starting careers at that time, were graduating from college and maybe didn&#8217;t have a real graduation, maybe didn&#8217;t have these normal adult milestones,” says journalist Maggie Mertens, the author of the book <em>Better Faster Farther: How Running Changed Everything We Know About Women</em>. “They see homeownership and marriage and kids as kind of out of reach —&nbsp;further out of reach than even the millennial generation did.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That adds up to a lot of uncertainty. And what helps manage uncertainty if not a four-month, intensive training plan that calls for four to six training runs a week covering hundreds of miles, plus cross-training and stretching?</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Marathon season is largely over,&nbsp;which means it’s an ideal time to start thinking about whether you want to run one next year.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Now, a disclaimer: I grew up a competitive swimmer and a softball player. The pandemic shut down all my favorite workout classes and basically forced me to lace up my running shoes. I’m not an especially fast runner, and I’m not setting out to break any world records. I mainly think of it as a great way to move my body, hang out with my friends, and challenge myself to go a little farther than I could yesterday.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">If that sounds like you, read on for advice on what I learned from training as a 20-something<strong>,</strong> and things to know if you&#8217;re hoping to start training, too.</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Training can be a way to add structure to your life</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I found that preparing for the New York City Marathon functionally required the spreadsheet-ification of my life: Sunday, long run. Monday, rest. Tuesday, 4 miles. Wednesday, 8 miles. You get it.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">During the most strenuous, highest-mileage training weeks, I sometimes felt something like despair, but mostly the box-checking helped bring a sense of predictability, even when my work or personal life was up in the air. It also created new milestones where others —&nbsp;home-buying, having a kid — felt out of reach.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I visited the 2024 Chicago Marathon Expo a few weeks ago to find out more for the <em>Today, Explained</em> podcast, and several 20-something runners had similar experiences to share.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“You can have the worst day in the world, but the benefit of that is that you turn around and you’re like, ‘Well, at least I got my miles in,’” Taylor-Nicole Limas, 28, told me.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">For some, like Mitchell Rose, 23, training is a way to impose structure on adult life. “It kind of gives me the end-of-the-semester feel, like you’re working towards something, whereas work gets very monotonous. I’m three months into my full-time job now, and I came to the realization like, ‘Oh, this just never ends.’”&nbsp;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Use running to push you to finally make big lifestyle changes</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The rigor of training mandates shedding bad habits and adopting healthy ones, too. I personally found that I had to add a fourth meal to my day — just to make up for the thousands of calories burned on my training runs. I also gave up alcohol and cut back on late nights in an effort to reduce the likelihood of feeling bad on long runs (which only sometimes worked).&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Other runners told me they had to make similar commitments.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I’m not proud of it, but I used to vape,” Pascale Geday, 26, told me at the expo. “I’m no longer vaping. I feel like it’s made me a better athlete.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">All these little adjustments add up to a much bigger change, says <a href="https://clas.ucdenver.edu/psychology/kevin-masters-phd">Kevin Masters</a>, a professor of psychology at University of Colorado Denver and a former marathoner himself.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“You really orient your day — which turns into your weeks, which turns into months — around this event,” he <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/11NwWyVUrpfKTNs6QZsJsI?si=07d6aedf31d349f8">told</a> <em>Today, Explained</em>. “That&#8217;s kind of an orienting principle for your life.”&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Training for a race can also be a way to find community</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The boom in marathon participation comes amid what the surgeon general is calling a <a href="https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf">loneliness epidemic</a>, marked by decreased participation in community organizations, faith organizations, and recreational leagues over several decades.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This phenomenon is especially apparent among 20- and 30-somethings, who are becoming known as the “<a href="https://www.bonappetit.com/story/how-bars-are-adapting-to-gen-z-the-homebody-generation?srsltid=AfmBOoqhWsa2FeTDSgIOeUL5wJ642EQ4vm4cSHjvqp8uAmV3GlxY06BY">homebody generation</a>.” One <a href="https://sociologicalscience.com/download/vol_11/august/SocSci_v11_553to578_updated.pdf">recent analysis</a> found that they spend, on average, about two more hours per day at home than previous generations did.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Where people used to gain some of their purpose and meaning in life and feel affiliated with others,” from community organizations, Masters said, those “aren&#8217;t really doing it for the younger folks as much.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Running just might: Run-club participation is <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/24/briefing/berlin-marathon.html">so high</a> that it’s become a <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@mattslyon/video/7367758453437123882?lang=en">meme</a>, and social media abounds with running <a href="https://www.instagram.com/savannahsachdev">influencers</a> and content.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“I have started a group chat with a bunch of first-time marathoners,” Limas told me. “I&#8217;m like, ‘Hey, we&#8217;re all running the marathon. … We&#8217;re all women. Why not just, when we’re stressed out, text each other?’ And they&#8217;ve all become friends because of this group chat that I started.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Of course, run clubs aren’t everyone’s cup of tea. Rose told me that he hadn’t had luck when he tried them out. “I have a long-term girlfriend. I don&#8217;t need to go to a run club because they&#8217;re usually looking for other things other than a good workout.”&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Instead, he said, he prefers to run with just one friend: “Having someone that you can knock on the door and be like, ‘Let&#8217;s go for a run right now,’ and they’ll more often than not drop everything and be like, ‘Yeah, let&#8217;s go. Like, let&#8217;s have a great time together.’ That is another level of our friendship that I don&#8217;t think would be there otherwise.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[How Hurricane Helene scrambled the election in North Carolina]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[The Today, Explained podcast is taking a deep dive into the major themes of the 2024 election through the lens of seven battleground states. We’ve heard from voters in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Wisconsin so far; this week we turn to North Carolina, where a storm last month devastated the state — and some of [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none"><em>The </em>Today, Explained<em> podcast is taking a deep dive into the major themes of the 2024 election through the lens of seven battleground states. We’ve heard from voters in </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0a8ahdph7BGpx9d0ZjzU3q?si=b5fcd333949f4909"><em>Georgia</em></a><em>, </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4qTFkzBeRxCT5sPluaxd7n?si=13da5fec1295486e"><em>Pennsylvania</em></a><em>, </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0d33827slG3WnJObyCr2C1?si=376ff7132c7f4f52"><em>Arizona</em></a><em>, and </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cxNjSdvROa1wGke9EstSJ?si=e9d49ab2703443ea"><em>Wisconsin</em></a><em> so far; this week we turn to </em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5GYFB15pwSNllF87AGX8i7?si=27f6737b426447a3"><em>North Carolina</em></a><em>, where a storm last month devastated the state — and some of its election infrastructure.</em></p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Officials in North Carolina are preparing for an election like no other in the wake of Hurricane Helene. The storm scrambled North Carolinians’ voting infrastructure — washing away absentee ballots, disrupting mail service, and destroying polling locations — and could impact what Election Day looks like in two weeks.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The state is expected to be close — former President Donald Trump won by <a href="https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/north-carolina">just 1.3 percentage points in 2020</a>, and <a href="https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/378909/election-2024-polls-harris-trump-winning-odds">current polling averages</a> suggest an even tighter race this year — and all eyes are on the mountains, which received the brunt of the hurricane&#8217;s impact. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">While some parts of life are getting back to normal after Hurricane Helene swept through last month —&nbsp;power returning, internet service restored — many people in the west of the state are still without potable water in their homes.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">With so many people displaced or managing repairs, experts have raised concerns about depressed voter turnout.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“The question is going to be: If you&#8217;re having to avoid swallowing water while you shower, how important is voting going to be to you?” Steve Harrison, a political reporter at NPR affiliate station WFAE, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5GYFB15pwSNllF87AGX8i7?si=3d00e30d45b64b70">told</a> <em>Today, Explained</em> host Sean Rameswaram.&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none">In an effort to ensure the election proceeds as close to normally as possible, local election officials <a href="https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/07/bipartisan-state-board-unanimously-approves-measures-help-wnc-voters">have been allowed</a> to move polling locations and adjust hours. The state has also updated rules for absentee voters, allowing them to return their completed ballots to counties other than their home county, as previously required, though the state <a href="https://www.wral.com/story/nc-elections-face-shifting-rules-uncertainty-heading-into-final-2024-stretch/21667522/">stopped short</a> of re-instituting a three-day grace period for ballots to be returned for counting. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Even with the added flexibility, actually communicating the changes to voters in the affected areas remains challenging. “Information is hard to get, because the internet is down and cell service is down, and everything changes on a day-to-day basis,” Buncombe County resident Kaitlyn Leaf said. “Sometimes hour by hour.” (Leaf is married to a Vox Media employee, audio engineer Patrick Boyd.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So far, officials’ efforts to create more flexibility for voters seem to be paying off: The state set <a href="https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/18/north-carolina-sets-turnout-record-first-day-early-voting">a turnout record</a> on the first day of early voting, which began in all 100 counties on October 17, though it’s unclear how many of those votes were cast in the affected areas.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">These voters could have an outsized impact on the outcome of the national election, according to Harrison’s <a href="https://www.wfae.org/politics/2024-10-07/helene-flooded-mostly-red-counties-will-that-impact-the-election">analysis</a>. Of the 15 counties that were most impacted by Helene, Biden won only two in 2020: Buncombe, home to the liberal city of Asheville, and Watauga, where Appalachian State University is located. The rest? Trump won by wide margins. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president-north-carolina.html">Polling</a> <a href="https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/">averages</a> show the 2024 presidential race in North Carolina as a dead heat, which means any decrease in turnout in those counties could ultimately hurt the former president’s chances.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“If it&#8217;s incredibly close, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to hear the last of Helene,” Harrison told <em>Today, Explained</em>.&nbsp;</p>

<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-text-align-none"><strong>Election Day worries in other battleground states, briefly explained&nbsp;</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">North Carolina isn’t the only state that could run into Election Day obstacles, though Hurricane Helene’s impact makes its situation unique. Extraordinarily thin margins and wrinkles in the vote-counting rules in other battleground states could <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/22/politics/vote-counting-delays-election-states/index.html">delay the full results of the election</a> past November 5.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">With polls showing several of the battleground states <a href="https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/">neck and neck</a> between Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris, election officials are warning they may need to count a greater share of ballots before media organizations are able to reliably make their projections, resulting in a multiday process similar to 2020.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Many states are also dealing with last-minute attempts to <a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/10/16/nx-s1-5154148/alabama-noncitizen-voter-purge-lawsuit">purge voter rolls</a> and <a href="https://www.vox.com/today-explained-podcast/373334/georgia-election-board-rule-changes-trump">change election rules</a>. But at least two states are likely to see delays because their election rules stayed the same.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, election officials are barred from processing mail ballots until 7 am on Election Day. In other states with mail-in ballots, workers may prepare ballots for counting earlier —&nbsp;verifying signatures, flattening the ballots — in order to streamline vote counting on Election Day. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania election workers’ later starts may result in delayed calls this year, particularly if the race comes down just a few thousand votes.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Both state legislatures considered updating their rules after the 2020 election, but conspiracy theories and partisan gridlock ultimately killed bills that would have done so.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“It’s a real frustration,” Pennsylvania Secretary of State Al Schmidt <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/22/politics/vote-counting-delays-election-states/index.html">told</a> CNN in September. “[The proposed legislation] does not benefit any candidate. It does not benefit any party. It only benefits the public in knowing results earlier and our election officials, who otherwise don’t have to work day and night.”</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">As we saw in 2020, any delay between Election Day and the final results leaves ample room for conspiracy theories to take hold — something Trump is likely to take full advantage of. In 2020, Trump <a href="https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324004491612618752">posted about</a> “surprise ballot dumps” in Milwaukee after a jump in Biden votes when the city reported all of its absentee ballots at the same time. (He <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-returns-wisconsin-false-claims-2020-election-rcna146092">still</a> falsely claims that he won Wisconsin in 2020.)</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">CNN political correspondent Sara Murray says voters ought to ignore the conspiracy theories in the event of a longer wait for results in 2024.“Just because this takes a couple of days doesn’t mean that there is some kind of mass-scale voter fraud going on,” she <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/5GYFB15pwSNllF87AGX8i7?si=3d00e30d45b64b70">told</a><em> </em><em>Today, Explained</em>. “It doesn&#8217;t mean machines are flipping votes. It doesn&#8217;t mean people are throwing away ballots. It just means election workers are still counting the votes.”</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The surprisingly subdued resurrection of Abercrombie &#038; Fitch]]></title>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">It’s bachelorette season in America.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A couple of months ago, I was at one such party in Florida: nine women, one house, a zillion group activities to get dressed for. And something strange started to happen. Almost every time I complimented someone’s outfit — a cute jumpsuit or matching set — inevitably the response was: “Thanks, it’s from Abercrombie.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Wait, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/7Kkqc6NmMGnvH05ZnI6nlF" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Abercrombie &amp; Fitch</a>? The dark store at the mall that <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/13/business/why-stores-smell-good-abercrombie-victorias-secret/index.html">reeked of cologne</a> and had salespeople who were hot and white and wearing practically nothing? What year is it?&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Back home in New York, I stumbled upon a real-life Abercrombie store and decided to investigate. The first thing I noticed was that it didn’t smell. Like anything. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then, I was impressed by the clothes: pretty good quality, decent price, and styles that worked for the 86 weddings I’ll be attending in the next calendar year.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I bought an engagement party-appropriate dress, then headed up to Central Park for a softball game with some of my old colleagues. One of them noticed my shopping bag and informed me that I was not alone in my rediscovery of Abercrombie.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So many people are getting reacquainted with the brand that its stock quietly <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/hyunsoorim/2024/05/31/the-beloved-90s-fashion-brand-is-making-a-turnaround-even-beating-nvidia-over-the-past-year/">gained</a> 285 percent&nbsp;last year,&nbsp;making it the best-performing stock on the S&amp;P index. It even <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-29/abercrombie-s-300-surge-in-2023-beats-even-sizzling-hot-nvidia?sref=qYiz2hd0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">beat</a> out AI chipmaker Nvidia. And it’s not like it’s just a meme stock: Abercrombie has generated <a href="https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/anf/revenue/">more than $4 billion</a> in revenue in the last fiscal year.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So, how did Abercrombie pull off its stunning renaissance — seemingly under the radar?&nbsp;</p>

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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">“Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”</h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This is not Abercrombie’s first comeback. One of the original American clothing brands, <a href="https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/stories/20th-century-camping-abercrombie-fitch-catalog">founded in 1892</a>, it dressed everyone from President Theodore Roosevelt to Amelia Earhart. But the company’s star turned and it ultimately <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1976/08/07/archives/abercrombie-fitch-in-bankruptcy-step-abercrombie-fitch-planning-to.html">filed for bankruptcy</a> in 1976.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Then, in 1988, it was <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/16/business/company-news-abercrombie-chain-bought.html">acquired</a> by The Limited, the owner of big mall clothing brands like Victoria’s Secret. It put a new CEO in charge, Mike Jeffries. Jeffries turned Abercrombie into a mall staple by targeting a new teenage clientele with American prep and a new, hypersexualized flavor.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids,” Jeffries <a href="https://www.salon.com/2006/01/24/jeffries/">told</a> Salon in 2006. “Candidly, we go after the cool kids … A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely.”&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">That exclusionary ethos worked in some ways — Abercrombie &amp; Fitch became an iconic part of culture, getting name-dropped in shows like <em>Friends</em>, for example. But in much bigger ways, it ran the company directly into hot water. Over. And. Over. Again.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In 2002, it sold thongs emblazoned with phrases like “eye candy” and “wink wink” —&nbsp;in the <a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-may-23-na-thong23-story.html">children’s section</a>. Later that year, it dropped a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/20/business/abercrombie-reacts-to-t-shirt-protests.html">T-shirt</a> designed to look like advertising for a Chinese laundromat, with the racist slogan “Two Wongs can make it white.”&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There was even a Supreme Court case. Samantha Elauf, a Muslim woman, alleged that the company refused to hire her because her hijab didn&#8217;t comply with their “looks policy” for employees. (“This is really easy,” Justice Antonin Scalia <a href="https://www.oyez.org/cases/2014/14-86">said</a> when he handed down a victory for Elauf in 2015.)&nbsp;<br><br>This was all happening in contrast to a growing <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/catherineerdly/2023/12/19/is-body-positivity-actually-changing-the-clothing-industry/">body positivity movement</a>. Eventually, the dissonance —&nbsp;combined with economic fallout from the Great Recession —&nbsp;proved to be too much. Its share price dwindled until finally, in 2016, Abercrombie became America’s <a href="https://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/pf/worst-retailers-customer-satisfaction/index.html">most hated retailer</a>. RIP.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/GettyImages-103256719.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,2.3942352394235,100,95.211529521153" alt="" title="" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="A model stands at the entrance of an Abercrombie &amp; Fitch store in New York in 2010 in a photo that shows how the brand once marketed to young shoppers with an almost embarrassing amount of skin. | Jin Lee/Bloomberg via Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Jin Lee/Bloomberg via Getty Images" />
<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The Abercrom-back&nbsp;</strong></h2>

<p class="has-text-align-none">After the brand’s fall from grace, Abercrombie’s C-suite got a makeover. Jeffries was <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abercrombie-fitch-mike-jeffries-trafficking-operation-lawsuit/">pushed out</a> in the 2010s, and new executives took his place. Their first priority was undoing some of the damage Abercrombie had wrought on its image in the aughts.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The old Abercrombie (in)famously <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/living/abercrombie-attractive-and-fat/index.html">refused</a> to sell clothes in sizes larger than L, or above a women’s size 10. The new Abercrombie goes up to size 32. Now, instead of overly sexy photoshoots, its ads are more tasteful, featuring models more representative of a broader range of potential customers.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The new Abercrombie is also <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91010945/how-abercrombie-went-from-americas-most-hated-retailer-to-a-gen-z-favorite">less focused</a> on reacting to fashion trends and appeasing high school hierarchies, and more on equipping a new generation of 20-somethings with basic, quality pieces appropriate for weddings and work, well-fitting denim, and sturdy workout apparel.&nbsp;<br><br>“They’re using a lot of higher-end materials like wool and cotton and cashmere, and there’s also been a lot of focus on fit,” Fast Company senior writer Elizabeth Segran <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/7Kkqc6NmMGnvH05ZnI6nlF?si=fb9232bb9c6f4e50">told <em>Today, Explained</em></a>. “This is all really important because this is all happening in the context of fast fashion. And the fast fashion world is famously about making clothes as cheap as possible and making them so trendy that you can throw them out after a few wears. This is very distinctly going against all of that.”&nbsp;<br><br>Segran says there’s a reason you haven&#8217;t seen big, splashy ads announcing Abercrombie’s return. Rather than do a whole public reintroduction to the brand — which probably would have required some sort of acknowledgment of its sordid history — Abercrombie executives have said they wanted the products to lead.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They wanted customers to feel like they had discovered the new Abercrombie for themselves. So they partnered with content creators on social media, opened up new (scentless) stores in strategic locations, and relied on word of mouth to do the rest.&nbsp;</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/GettyImages-1801107940.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0.024402147388969,100,99.951195705222" alt="" title="" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="An Abercrombie &amp; Fitch store today: muted colors, lots of light, absolutely no underdressed young men. And no obnoxious scent. | Yuki Iwamura/AFP via Getty Images" data-portal-copyright="Yuki Iwamura/AFP via Getty Images" />
<p class="has-text-align-none">“Our plan is to go from being the best-kept secret in fashion to their favorite brand,” Abercrombie’s head of merchandising Carey Krug <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91010945/how-abercrombie-went-from-americas-most-hated-retailer-to-a-gen-z-favorite">told</a> Fast Company.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So far, it’s working.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Segran told <em>Today, Explained </em>that this revival is not just an Abercrombie story. Legacy retailers like J. Crew and Gap — which have struggled to compete with younger direct-to-consumer brands like Everlane and Reformation —&nbsp;could learn a thing or two from Abercrombie’s revival.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">“Abercrombie’s story shows us that if a brand has this long history and a place in American retail history, it can come back.”<br><br><em>This story&nbsp;originally appeared&nbsp;in&nbsp;</em><strong><em><a href="https://www.vox.com/today-explained-newsletter" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Today, Explained</a></em></strong><em>, Vox’s flagship daily newsletter.&nbsp;</em><strong><em><a href="https://www.vox.com/pages/today-explained-newsletter-signup" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sign up here for future editions</a></em></strong><em>.</em></p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none">Riots and violence have <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/01/southport-uk-stabbings-arrests-london-protests">erupted</a> in the UK following the killing of three young girls in the quiet seaside town of Southport in northern England. Last week, while learning dance moves to their favorite Taylor Swift songs, a 17-year-old boy entered their classroom and went on a stabbing rampage that left three dead and critically wounded several others. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Following the attack, a UK law prohibiting the public naming of suspects under the age of 18 created an information vacuum, and within hours, rumors about the suspect in custody, including an incorrect name, were circulating around the far-right media ecosystem. Police in Merseyside, the county that includes Southport, quickly confirmed the suspect was born in the UK, but <a href="https://apnews.com/article/uk-southport-stabbing-online-misinformation-1dcd23b803401416ac94ae458e5c9c06">misinformation</a> on social media claimed he was an immigrant.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Nigel Farage, a British broadcaster, leader of the right-wing Reform UK party and member of Parliament, added to the chaos when he <a href="https://www.facebook.com/nigelfarageofficial/videos/my-response-to-the-attack-in-southport/3758410404434530/?_rdr">released a video</a> statement casting doubt on the official information released by Merseyside police. “I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us. I don&#8217;t know the answer to that, but I think it is a fair and legitimate question,” Farage said.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Three days after the attack, a judge <a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/southport-stabbings-suspect-named-axel-rudakubana-b2589606.html">agreed to allow</a> the name of the suspect to be released but the damage had been done. While the town of Southport was still in mourning, far-right protesters took to the streets, chanting “We want our country back,” attacked a local mosque, and injured <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/31/southport-stabbing-riot-misinformation/">more than 50 police officers</a>. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">That riot, the day after the stabbing attack, was just the first of many violent demonstrations that flared up across Great Britain and in Northern Ireland’s capital, Belfast. On Sunday, around 750 people surrounded a hotel housing asylum seekers in northern England. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=912881000884274&amp;set=a.311353597703687">According to police</a>, rioters smashed windows in an attempt to gain access to hotel residents and lit a large trash bin on fire.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Robyn Vinter, a correspondent for the Guardian covering the north of England, has been covering the protests across the UK and shared her experience with Noel King on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2NU5PAYNPoKgVQkHaLm8Tu?si=ca5968da78de42f3">an episode of <em>Today, Explained</em></a>. Their conversation below has been edited for length and clarity.  </p>

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<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Robyn Vinter</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">[The Southport attack] had happened on a Tuesday night, and by the Friday, there was a list of places where demonstrations were going to be held. They were described as protests. Fliers were going around social media that said things like, “A protest is going to be held outside this mosque.” And then we saw large-scale pockets of far-right riots: a lot of violence in a lot of towns and cities across the UK.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">A hotel in Rotherham that was housing asylum seekers was on the list. That one got out of hand very quickly, partly because it was under-policed: there’d been another protest organized in a city nearby, and they perhaps underestimated how many people would attend. In total, there were about 750 rioters. They were physically attacking police, smashing windows, burning things. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">They managed to set fire, briefly, to the hotel with about 240 asylum seekers inside, which was obviously terrifying. The windows were smashed and the asylum seekers were appearing at the windows. They were all fairly young. The ones I saw — teenagers, early 20s — all looked very scared, very worried. I shouted through the window, “Are you okay?” and I was holding a thumbs up. A lot of them were replying, “Okay, okay.” A lot of them don&#8217;t have good English. And then one man shouted down, “I am not okay.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The police were wearing fireproof gear and helmets and had big riot shields, so they were safe from the fireworks. But there were quite a lot of times when I saw the police that had been relieved from their shifts on the front line of this battle against the rioters. They would go around the corner or down a side street, and they would just be sitting with their heads in their hands because it had been such a draining and exhausting day. A few police officers said to me that it had been by far the biggest riot that they’d ever [responded to]. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Over time, it calmed down. As the evening went on, it tended to be younger rioters who clearly were teenagers. I spoke to a 16-year-old girl who was there, and she said she recognized a lot of them from school, and that some of them were even younger than she was.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">And that was only one riot that happened. While I was in Rotherham, a colleague of mine was in Middlesbrough on the opposite English coast. It was different scenes in Middlesbrough because there was not really a specific target. The far right were running riot through the town. There weren’t enough police. Journalists were being targeted, because there’s a huge mistrust among the rioters and the general public of journalists. A number of journalists and photographers have been hurt or had equipment stolen. My friend, the colleague who was in Middlesbrough, went back to his car to find it had been completely smashed up, and the police had to drive him home. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There’ve been 400 arrests, but the arrests keep coming because there are so many people involved. There are more demonstrations due to be held, and there’s a lot of likelihood that these are going to turn into riots as well. </p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Noel King&nbsp;</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Robyn, you and other news media are using two words. You’re using “riot” and you’re using “protest.” The people who are protesting: What do they say they want to come out of this? </p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Robyn Vinter</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Some of the protests are local to a situation, but there are broad themes. You hear the phrase “We want our country back.” A lot of it is about a kind of broader anti-immigration sentiment. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">In Rotherham — where I was, where the rioters attacked the hotel housing asylum seekers — there was a feeling that asylum seekers were getting better treatment in the UK than British people were. People were saying, “Well, I have to pay my bills. I have to put a roof over my head. I have to work. And these people are coming here and they’re living in a hotel and they’re not working. Not doing anything. They don’t have to worry about paying bills.” </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">There were also — which I found very sinister — rumors going around in certain communities that certain men had been following women home. Or, the rumor in Rotherham was that two women had been raped by asylum seekers and that the authorities had covered it up. Obviously, as a journalist, that would be a very good story if I could stand it up. But I’m just completely unable to find any evidence that that’s the case. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">But in a way, it doesn’t matter, because it goes around on social media. People hear it. Everybody has heard it from somebody else. Nobody’s the person that it’s happened to. </p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Noel King</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">This all got started with a rumor that the boy who had stabbed these little girls was an immigrant. Have rumors continued to contribute to what’s going on? Either rumors or deliberate misinformation — sometimes called disinformation, I suppose.</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Robyn Vinter</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Disinformation and misinformation have had a really pivotal role in the last seven days. There have been a lot of deliberate instigators on social media — a lot of people, actually, who wouldn’t perpetrate violence themselves, but will easily goad other people into doing so. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Something I haven&#8217;t mentioned so far, as well: there’s something that the far-right instigators on social media are calling “two-tier policing.” They believe that white British people are getting worse treatment — they’re getting more heavy-handed treatment — from the police than Muslims or other groups of people. I wouldn’t go as far as saying “conspiracy theory,” but it’s a huge talking point among the far right. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We even heard Elon Musk describe Prime Minister Keir Starmer as “Two-tier Keir,” obviously referencing this nonsensical and nonexistent idea of two-tier policing.</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Noel King</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Keir Starmer is brand new in the office. This would be his first real crisis. How is he perceived to be handling this?&nbsp;</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Robyn Vinter</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Keir Starmer is a very interesting character. When we had some riots in urban areas in London and other cities in 2011, he was the director of public prosecutions — kind of like your chief prosecutor, essentially making decisions about how these rioters would be handled by the courts, how they’d be prosecuted. His method of prosecuting was bringing people in quickly and prosecuting them quickly. There were late-night courts and courts running over the weekend in order to process the large numbers of rioters. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">So far we’re seeing something very similar to back then. He’s very keen on clamping down immediately on the rioters, and you can see the method as well. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I think when people start to see the large sentences that rioters will be getting for attacking police and setting fires, they’re going to be more likely to think twice before they get involved in future violence. </p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Noel King</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We are expecting more of this; more protests, potentially more rioting, potentially more injuries, potentially more clashes with police. What should we take from all of this? What does this tell us more broadly about what is happening in the UK right now?</p>

<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Robyn Vinter</h4>

<p class="has-text-align-none">The summer of 2024 is going to be defined as a summer of rioting.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">Although the riots will [probably] start to die down in the next couple of weeks, the sentiment will not go away. It’s going to take as long as it took to build it up to dissipate it. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">I don’t have any answers about what we can do to improve that sentiment. It’s something that I feel very worried about. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none">We in the UK rarely descend into any kind of real nationwide violence. People from abroad have been saying that “it&#8217;s going to end in a civil war.” That’s absurd. But we do have to worry about this. We have to worry about it because that sentiment exists in other countries as well, places that don’t have a long legacy of stability. This kind of thing could be a spark that lights a fire somewhere else.  </p>
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