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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Do fish oil supplements work? Science keeps giving us slippery answers.]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[When it comes to natural supplements, nothing beats fish oil. These little capsules of omega-3s, which are made with everything from mackerel, sardines, and anchovies to krill and vat-grown algae, are more popular than glucosamine and probiotics combined. The millions of Americans who take fish oil supplements have become all too familiar with the intensely [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>When it comes to natural <a href="https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/6/20/15838152/vitamin-d-deficiency-foods-symptoms">supplements</a>, nothing beats fish oil. These little capsules of omega-3s, which are made with everything from mackerel, sardines, and anchovies to krill and vat-grown algae, are more popular than glucosamine and probiotics combined.</p>

<p>The millions of Americans who take fish oil supplements have become all too familiar with the intensely fishy burps they cause. But it&rsquo;s a small price to pay to reduce the risk of heart disease, which remains the nation&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm">leading cause of death</a>.</p>

<p>The problem is fish oil doesn&rsquo;t do anything. Or it doesn&rsquo;t seem to do what we thought it did. What began as a series of groundbreaking nutritional discoveries in the late 1990s has turned into a perplexing drip of null findings.</p>

<p>That&rsquo;s why the cardiologists, nutritionists, and doctors were paying keen attention the <a href="https://professional.heart.org/professional/EducationMeetings/MeetingsLiveCME/ScientificSessions/UCM_316900_Scientific-Sessions.jsp">American Heart Association&rsquo;s Scientific Sessions</a>, held last week in Chicago, where the results of two major fish oil studies, following more than 34,000 subjects, were presented. Harvard&rsquo;s JoAnn Manson delivered the <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1811403">results of the first study</a>: another null finding. Fish oil supplements, her study found, do little to prevent heart disease. Fifteen minutes later, standing at the same podium, another Harvard scientist, Deepak Bhatt, claimed the opposite. In his <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1812792">study</a>, a purified fish oil intervention reduced the risk of coronary events by an astonishing 25 percent.</p>

<p>These developments in the fish oil story are intriguing, confusing, exciting, and depressing all at once. They show, above all, that the progress of science is not always as linear as we think. As research methods have improved, statistical power has grown, and scientists have tested ever more precise hypotheses, the truth about fish oil remains, like fish itself, slippery.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Exquisitely carnivorous Greenlanders</h2>
<p>The fish oil and heart health story begins in 1970, when two Danish scientists traveled to the northwest coast of Greenland to study an indigenous population that had been described as &ldquo;probably the most exquisitely carnivorous people on earth.&rdquo; Despite their extremely meaty diet, this community appeared curiously free of diabetes and between 1963 and 1967 experienced a mere three cases of heart disease. The scientists <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4102857">studied</a> 130 local Inuit and made an intriguing discovery: They had blood lipids lower than their Danish counterparts.</p>

<p>It wasn&rsquo;t genetics. Inuit people who lived in Denmark had blood lipid levels similar to typical Danes. After nearly a decade of further study, the scientists <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/78322">concluded</a> that the difference came down to diet. Specifically, it was the high consumption of fish and marine mammals, whose omega-3 fatty acids were present in the Greenlanders&rsquo; blood.</p>

<p>A few years later, the<em> New England Journal of Medicine</em> published a <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198505093121901">study</a> that examined seafood consumption and coronary heart disease in 852 middle-aged Dutch men over a 20-year span. It found a striking &ldquo;inverse dose&ndash;response relation.&rdquo;</p>

<p>&ldquo;Mortality from coronary heart disease,&rdquo; the authors wrote, &ldquo;was more than 50 percent lower among those who consumed at least 30 g of fish per day than among those who did not eat fish.&rdquo;</p>
<figure class="wp-block-pullquote alignleft"><blockquote><p>It could be something even simpler: when people eat fish, they have less room in their diet for Big Macs, fried chicken, and candy bars</p></blockquote></figure><h2 class="wp-block-heading">The fish oil gold rush begins</h2>
<p>By 1990, seafood had captured the attention of cardiac researchers. That year, 51 studies <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=fish+oil+heart+disease">were published</a> exploring the link between fish oil and heart disease, up from four a decade earlier. But the research was mainly &ldquo;observational.&rdquo; It compared health outcomes of people who ate a lot of fish to those who did not, and by doing so, it uncovered&nbsp;intriguing correlations between eating fish and cardiovascular health. But these studies did not, and could not, prove causation.</p>

<p>Was it the oil in fish that was <em>causing </em>people to have less heart disease? Perhaps. But there were other equally plausible causes. For example, it could be that affluent people tend to eat more fish, and that affluent people, like rugged Greenlanders, also tend to spend more time outside exercising, and that it&rsquo;s actually exercise that causes<em> </em>people to have less heart disease, which would make fish consumption a marker for less heart disease but not the cause. Or it could be something even simpler: When people eat fish, they have less room in their diet for Big Macs, fried chicken, and candy bars. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>What was needed was a large-scale randomized controlled trial (RCT), which is considered the &ldquo;gold standard&rdquo; of nutritional research because it can demonstrate cause. That <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(99)07072-5/fulltext">began</a> in 1993, when 11,324 heart attack survivors from across Italy were given fish oil, vitamin E, or nothing. The vitamin E had no effect. The fish oil, by comparison, was astonishing, causing a 10 percent reduction in heart disease.</p>

<p>Another sensational <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673607605273">RCT</a> followed almost a decade later. In this one, a fish oil supplement led to a 19 percent reduction in heart disease in 18,645 Japanese subjects. Fish oil, amazingly, could even confer a health benefit to a population at the upper end of seafood consumption.</p>

<p>In 2008, scientists published 114 studies on fish oil and heart disease. As fish oil&rsquo;s biological importance became further elucidated, particularly its role in reducing inflammation, it became a <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/203640">wellness panacea</a>, offering apparent benefits for everything from blood pressure and triglycerides to pain, vision, and mental health.</p>
<figure class="wp-block-pullquote alignleft"><blockquote><p>A year later, fish oil research would reach its zenith, with 169 papers published, a high point never again to be reached</p></blockquote></figure><h2 class="wp-block-heading">An avalanche of null findings</h2>
<p>But the good times wouldn&rsquo;t last. In 2010, the first <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/nejmoa1003603">major null RCT</a>, published in the <em>New England Journal of Medicine, </em>found that fish oil &ldquo;did not significantly reduce the rate of major cardiovascular events among patients who had had a myocardial infarction and who were receiving state-of-the-art antihypertensive, antithrombotic, and lipid-modifying therapy.&rdquo;</p>

<p>By 2012, nearly 20 million American adults were using a fish oil supplement of some kind. But among scientists, the relationship was souring, and fast. A big <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1203859">RCT</a>, also published in the <em>NEJM, </em>found that a daily supplement of omega-3 fatty acids &ldquo;did not reduce the rate of cardiovascular events in patients at high risk for cardiovascular events.&rdquo;</p>

<p>It got worse. The <em>Journal of the American Medical Association</em> published a <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891">meta-analysis</a> of fish oil, which examined 20 studies comprising 68,680 subjects. It soberly concluded, &ldquo;Omega-3 PUFA supplementation was not associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, or stroke.&rdquo;&nbsp;A year later, fish oil research would reach its zenith, with 169 papers published, a high point never again to be reached.</p>

<p>This year was shaping up to be fish oil&rsquo;s worst to date. In July, another major <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30019766">meta-analysis</a>, this one billing itself as &ldquo;the most extensive systematic assessment of effects of omega-3 fats on cardiovascular health to date,&rdquo; reported that fish oil supplements have &ldquo;little to no effect on mortality or cardiovascular health.&rdquo; Its illusory benefits, furthermore, &ldquo;spring from trials with higher risk of bias.&rdquo; Scientifically, fish oil looked dead.</p>

<p>And if that wasn&rsquo;t enough, the final nail in the coffin came last Saturday in Chicago, in the form of JoAnn Mason&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1811403">VITAL study</a>, an RCT that followed 25,871 participants over five years. The results&nbsp;indicated that &ldquo;supplementation with n-3 [omega-3] fatty acids did not result in a lower incidence of major cardiovascular events.&rdquo; &nbsp;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">But wait, is fish oil back?</h2>
<p>Except fish oil wasn&rsquo;t dead. Because within minutes of the VITAL results, Deepak Bhatt announced the results of his <a href="https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1812792">REDUCE-IT</a> RCT, results that were so exciting, a roomful of cardiologists gave it a standing ovation. In this study, which followed 8,179 people over four years, fish oil reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 25 percent, and this in subjects who were already being treated with heart disease drugs like statins. All of a sudden, fish oil was alive and flopping in the bottom of the boat.</p>

<p>All of which raises the question: What the heck is going on? Why would fish oil look healthy, then stop looking healthy, then suddenly look healthy again?</p>

<p>One of those answers is statins. This popular class of cholesterol-lowering drugs didn&rsquo;t exist when the first fish oil studies were done. It may be that whatever positive effect fish oil once had was made redundant by statins. Statins, in other words, may have eaten fish oil&rsquo;s lunch. That, of course, doesn&rsquo;t explain the recent REDUCE-IT results. But that study featured a very large dose.</p>
<figure class="wp-block-pullquote alignleft"><blockquote><p>Fish oil’s mixed track record may come down to type</p></blockquote></figure><h2 class="wp-block-heading">D’oh, it’s dose</h2>
<p>In fact, dose could explain a lot of what&rsquo;s going on. In the first-ever fish oil RCT, subjects received 1 gram of fish oil. The Japanese study that followed in 2007 featured 1.8 grams. And the recent REDUCE-IT trial featured such a large dose &mdash; 2 grams twice daily for a total of 4 grams &mdash; it blurs the line between nutritional supplement and pharmaceutical intervention.</p>

<p>Many of the null studies, by comparison, used small &mdash; and in some cases, tiny &mdash; doses. For example, in that null study published in 2010, subjects consumed about 0.375 grams of fish oil. In the VITAL study, subjects consumed 840 milligrams of omega-3s. Statins wouldn&rsquo;t work if people didn&rsquo;t get a sufficiently large dose. So why would a low dose of fish oil work, especially in subjects who are already being treated with statins?</p>

<p>Then again, fish oil&rsquo;s mixed track record may come down to type. The Japanese study and the recent REDUCE-IT study &mdash; the two most dramatic results in the history of fish oil research &mdash; did not use standard fish oil. They used EPA, which is one of two major fatty acids found in fish oil. The other is called DHA. Of the two, DHA tends to get more attention because there&rsquo;s a lot of it in the human brain. But EPA has its own biological importance. It is converted into a family of molecules called &ldquo;prostaglandins&rdquo; and &ldquo;specialized proresolving mediators,&rdquo; which regulate inflammation, thin the blood, and are believed to lower heart attack risk.</p>

<p>So it might be EPA. But it might be the dose. It might be both EPA and dose. And statins may also play a role.</p>

<p>Then again, the harshest fish oil critics might be right &mdash; fish oil might not do anything, and its apparent benefits may be due to nothing more than poor study design or chance, although that seems like a long shot at this point. However, while heart health has been a focus of fish oil research, it is not the only area being studied. There is evidence that fish oil <a href="https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003402.pub3/full">lengthens gestation</a> in pregnant women and <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2702216">improves anxiety</a>. EPA may also have an <a href="http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/integrative-psychiatry/use-omega-3-fatty-acids-treatment-depression">antidepressant effect</a>. &nbsp;</p>

<p>Finally, it&rsquo;s possible there is some variable at play that no one has paid adequate attention to &mdash; like oxidation. Despite its reputation, fish oil is not inherently fishy. It only smells that way once omega-3 fatty acids begin reacting with oxygen. (Another word for this kind of oxidation is &ldquo;rancidity.&rdquo;) And some lipid scientists believe that taking fish oil that has become oxidized does not deliver the same benefits. &nbsp;</p>

<p>Should people stop taking fish oil? Should they start? What about people who never eat fish? And is a high dose of EPA the answer to our problems?<strong> &nbsp;</strong>After half a century of study, we may not have the answer we want &mdash; but we do have better questions. What we need, believe it or not, is more research. As it happens, another major fish oil study is underway. It should be reporting about a year from now.</p>

<p><em>Richard Bazinet is an </em>a<em>ssociate professor and the Canada research chair in brain lipid metabolism in the department of nutritional sciences at the University of Toronto.</em></p>

<p><em>Mark Schatzker is the author of </em>The Dorito Effect<em> and the writer in residence at the Modern Diet and Physiology Research Center at Yale University. </em></p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Why amateur wine scores are every bit as good as professionals’]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Few consumer products offer as staggering a range of choice as wine. You can buy a bottle of Dark Horse Big Red Blend for $8. Or for around $500, you can get a 2012 bottle of Sloan Proprietary Red. Yet for each bottle, the same question applies: Is it any good? For decades, Americans turned [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>Few consumer products offer as staggering a range of choice as wine. You can buy a bottle of Dark Horse Big Red Blend for $8. Or for around $500, you can get a 2012 bottle of Sloan Proprietary Red. Yet for each bottle, the same question applies: Is it any good?</p>

<p>For decades, Americans turned to professional critics like Robert Parker to help them make that determination. But the internet changed all that.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The rise of the wine-rating crowd</h2>
<p>In 2004, Eric LeVine &mdash; then a group program manager at Microsoft &mdash; launched CellarTracker, a site where amateur wine enthusiasts can rate wines. Today, CellarTracker is the web&rsquo;s most popular &ldquo;community&rdquo; or &ldquo;crowdsourced&rdquo; wine review website, containing 6.3 million reviews from 113,000-plus users for more than 2.2 million different wines.</p>

<p>Many professional critics, not surprisingly, have scoffed at the idea that mere amateurs understand, let alone have the ability to rate, wine.&nbsp;In a 2012 column for the website <a href="http://www.winespectator.com/">Wine Spectator</a>, critic Matt Kramer described the wisdom of the crowd as a &ldquo;pernicious delusion.&rdquo; &ldquo;One hundred people who don&#8217;t&nbsp;know much about, say, Auxey-Duresses,&rdquo; he wrote, &#8220;adds up to 100 muddied, baffled and often duplicative&nbsp;conclusions.&rdquo; Critic Steve Body concurred in a 2014 post titled &ldquo;Crowd-Sourced Ratings and Why They Suck&rdquo; on his website <a href="https://thepourfool.com/">ThePourFool</a>: &ldquo;The readers and users of these sites are almost always slaves to their personal preferences&nbsp;and current trends.&rdquo;</p>

<p>That&rsquo;s the standard knock against amateur<strong> </strong>critics. Compared with the paid&nbsp;professionals &mdash; who very often evaluate wines blind &mdash; they are untrained, are subject to bias, and lack expertise.</p>

<p>But is that true? In 2016 (when this piece was first published), we decided to test the hypothesis by comparing&nbsp;community wine reviews for California&nbsp;wines from 2014 or&nbsp;earlier with those of professionals by running a&nbsp;simple&nbsp;correlation &mdash; a common data analysis tool.</p>

<p>For the professional scores, we purchased memberships to&nbsp;three sites: Wine Advocate (Robert Parker&rsquo;s site), International Wine Cellar, and&nbsp;Jancis&nbsp;Robinson. We limited ourselves to these three because they<strong> </strong>had the most wines in&nbsp;common with CellarTracker. (Shortly after we obtained our data set, International Wine&nbsp;Cellar merged with&nbsp;Vinous and now goes by that name.)&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>Altogether, we obtained scores for 10,679 wines on&nbsp;Wine Advocate, 12,182 on International Wine Cellar, and 1,167 for Jancis&nbsp;Robinson&nbsp;and compared them with 51,689 mean scores for wines on CellarTracker. We then matched the wines and their scores between our select group of experts and the multitude of enthusiasts and&nbsp;analyzed them with a software program&nbsp;called Prism.</p>

<p>Before we say anything more about&nbsp;the results, it&rsquo;s worth considering what this sort of comparison can&nbsp;and cannot accomplish. In&nbsp;science, this kind of study is called &ldquo;observational&rdquo; &mdash; you may be able to tease out a relationship, but you won&rsquo;t know why it&rsquo;s there.<strong> </strong>For&nbsp;example, if it turns out the experts and enthusiasts differ&nbsp;significantly in their estimation of wine quality, this does not necessarily mean&nbsp;the&nbsp;experts possess a more refined or objective understanding of wine. It&nbsp;could just as easily be interpreted to mean that wine experts can&rsquo;t relate to&nbsp;the&nbsp;kind of wine ordinary people find enjoyable.</p>

<p>But that&rsquo;s not what we found. Nor did we find perfect agreement. We<strong> </strong>discovered something altogether&nbsp;more interesting.</p>

<p>So let&rsquo;s start with the big&nbsp;question: How do the wine enthusiasts compare with the experts? Very well. Have a&nbsp;look:</p>
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<p>There are 9,119&nbsp;dots on this diagram &mdash; one dot for each wine rated&nbsp;by both CellarTracker and Wine Advocate. Each dot, furthermore, represents two&nbsp;scores, one&nbsp;by Wine Advocate and the other the mean score on CellarTracker. As&nbsp;you can see, it doesn&rsquo;t look as though there&rsquo;s anywhere close to 9,119&nbsp;dots in&nbsp;this diagram. What really stands out is the big blob in the top right. This is&nbsp;a visual representation of CellarTracker and Wine Advocate&nbsp;agreeing. Most of&nbsp;the CellarTracker scores are very close to, and in many cases identical to, the&nbsp;scores on Wine Advocate.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Amateur and professional wine scores correlate <em>very </em>tightly</h2>
<p>How similar? We ran a statistical&nbsp;tool called a Spearman correlation and got a figure&nbsp;of&nbsp;0.576. A perfect correlation is 1. An utter non-correlation&nbsp;is 0. A score of 0.576 may not sound impressive at first, but it can actually&nbsp;get worse than 0 &mdash; a negative correlation, which is what you would see if you compared, say, shortness with the likelihood of playing professional basketball.</p>
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<p>The CellarTracker scores correlated&nbsp;with International Wine Cellar nearly as well, with a value of 0.555.</p>
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<p>And the&nbsp;weakest correlation was with&nbsp;Jancis Robinson, at 0.424.</p>

<p>But to get an even better&nbsp;understanding of just how well CellarTracker relates to the experts, the best&nbsp;thing to do is leave CellarTracker out of it.&nbsp;It&rsquo;s when you compare the experts&nbsp;with&nbsp;<em>one another</em>&nbsp;that things start to get<strong> </strong>much more&nbsp;interesting.</p>
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<p>Among experts, the strongest Spearman&nbsp;correlation is between Wine Advocate and International Wine Cellar, which, at&nbsp;0.568,&nbsp;is still&nbsp;lower than the&nbsp;0.576 between Wine Advocate and CellarTracker &mdash;and it only gets&nbsp;worse from there.</p>
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<p>Jancis Robinson and Wine Advocate comes in at 0.208, and&nbsp;Jancis Robinson and International Wine Cellar isn&rsquo;t much better at 0.222.&nbsp;That&rsquo;s why the blobs are more diffuse when experts are&nbsp;compared with each&nbsp;other than when they&rsquo;re compared with CellarTracker. There is less agreement.</p>

<p>What does it all mean?</p>
<img src="https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7649665/CORRELATION2.jpg?quality=90&#038;strip=all&#038;crop=0,0,100,100" alt="" title="" data-has-syndication-rights="1" data-caption="Javier Zarracina/Vox" data-portal-copyright="" /><h2 class="wp-block-heading">Amateurs appear more expert than the experts</h2>
<p>It looks very much like the enthusiasts&nbsp;actually do a better job of agreeing with the experts than the experts do with each other. That might sound odd, but out of thousands of wines we analyzed, only a handful&nbsp;contradicted this pattern. Simply&nbsp;put, if you want to know what the experts think, the best place to look appears&nbsp;to be, of all places,&nbsp;CellarTracker.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Why do the scores correlate so&nbsp;well? The data doesn&rsquo;t tell us that. &nbsp;</p>

<p>It&rsquo;s possible all those&nbsp;enthusiasts on&nbsp;CellarTracker already knew what Robert Parker and other experts said&nbsp;about each wine and just parroted their scores. That said, when you consider that a 2007 Seghesio&nbsp;Family&nbsp;Vineyards Zinfandel Sonoma County was rated 1,406 times on&nbsp;CellarTracker, for an average score of 90.5, does it really&nbsp;seem likely that 1)&nbsp;they had all read the expert scores, and b) they were consciously or&nbsp;unconsciously swayed as a result?</p>

<p>If so,&nbsp;how likely is that to play out&nbsp;over thousands and thousands of bottles?</p>

<p>It&rsquo;s worth pointing out that our focus on&nbsp;California also comes with limitations. We did this because California&nbsp;presumably represents a&nbsp;more homogeneous group of wines than would&nbsp;a mix of regions. But we don&rsquo;t know if the relationship we observed applies to&nbsp;other wine-producing countries or regions, like Spain, Chile,&nbsp;Burgundy, and&nbsp;Oregon. (That would require a larger study.)&nbsp;</p>

<p>And<strong> </strong>it&rsquo;s not like the experts and the&nbsp;enthusiasts always agree.</p>
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<p>If you return to the first figure, comparing CellarTracker and Wine Advocate, you&rsquo;ll see numerous&nbsp;dots that aren&rsquo;t part of the main cluster. For example, on the<strong> </strong>bottom row, there is a&nbsp;single dot just to the left of 90, at 88. If you look over to&nbsp;the y-axis, you can see that it lands on 52. The wine in question is the 1999&nbsp;Testarossa&nbsp;Chardonnay Sleepy Hollow, and it appears to be a case of&nbsp;serious&nbsp;disagreement &mdash; a difference&nbsp;in score of 36 points. Wine Advocate gives&nbsp;the wine a score that,&nbsp;according to its own scoring system, is between &ldquo;above average&rdquo; and &ldquo;very good,&rdquo;&nbsp;while CellarTracker says it&rsquo;s&nbsp;terrible.</p>

<p>Upon further inspection of the data, however, we noticed that only a single CellarTracker user scored 1999&nbsp;Testarossa&nbsp;Chardonnay Sleepy Hollow, representing an extremely small sample size. In fact, correlations between amateur and expert only become stronger as the quantity of community&nbsp;reviewers increases. The larger the number of enthusiasts, the more the scores match those of the&nbsp;experts. Cases of strong disagreement, however interesting they may appear, are extremely infrequent.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The better the wine, the more experts agree with the amateurs</h2>
<p>There is also a tendency for scores to converge as&nbsp;wines improve in quality. This is evident in the arrow shape of the clusters in figures comparing CellarTracker with Wine Advocate and CellarTracker with International Wine Cellar. (Notice how the cluster points up and to the right.) Average scores, furthermore, are&nbsp;high. On Wine Advocate, the average score was 89, on International Wine Cellar it was 91, and&nbsp;it was 17 out of 20 for&nbsp;Jancis Robinson. On CellarTracker, it was 89. This&nbsp;tells us that experts and enthusiasts alike don&rsquo;t seem to be spending a great&nbsp;deal of time&nbsp;scoring mediocre wines.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>As with New York City&nbsp;restaurants, there are many very good wines but few that achieve true greatness. This is something both&nbsp;expert and enthusiast agree on, as indicated&nbsp;by the pointiness of that arrow shape.</p>

<p>So what did we learn about the<strong> </strong>CellarTracker users? They drink good wine. And when you consider&nbsp;that according CellarTracker&rsquo;s founder, Eric Levine, the average user has rated&nbsp;49 wines and there are 2,311 users who have rated more than 500&nbsp;wines, this&nbsp;group sounds less and less like a rowdy horde of merlot swillers. It sounds like they take their wine seriously.&nbsp;When it comes to online comments&nbsp;sections or restaurant&nbsp;reviews on Yelp, the internet has a reputation for being overly representative&nbsp;of the ill-informed and overly opinionated.&nbsp;This doesn&rsquo;t seem to be the case&nbsp;with CellarTracker.</p>

<p>Ultimately, we think our analysis is<strong> </strong>very&nbsp;supportive of community wine reviews. If non-professional wine&nbsp;enthusiasts truly were lacking in&nbsp;knowledge or expertise, we would expect to&nbsp;see little or no correlation with professionals. We saw just the opposite.</p>

<p>But the news isn&rsquo;t all bad for the professionals. Their divergence in opinion could come down to differences&nbsp;in personal taste. Maybe the reason Jancis Robinson correlates relatively poorly&nbsp;with International Wine&nbsp;Cellar is because she has her own distinctive palate. Perhaps you&rsquo;re better off finding a critic whose taste matches your&nbsp;own, since these nuances get lost in averages.</p>

<p>In the end, however, CellarTracker offers two compelling advantages.<strong> </strong>The first is price.&nbsp;Joining CellarTracker is free, whereas Wine&nbsp;Advocate costs $99 for one year and Jancis Robinson costs around $110. The second is&nbsp;breadth. For&nbsp;California alone, CellarTracker covers more wines than all the&nbsp;critics we examined combined.</p>

<p>So if you think it&rsquo;s worth&nbsp;spending a hundred bucks to access the wine scores published by Wine Advocate, go for it. But you might just be better off putting those&nbsp;dollars toward actual wine. For about $60,&nbsp;you can get a bottle of 2011 Littorai Pinot Noir Savoy Vineyard, which got a 90&nbsp;from International Wine&nbsp;Cellar and a 92 from Wine Advocate. CellarTracker gave&nbsp;it a 91.</p>

<p><em>Mark Schatzker is the author of </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dorito-Effect-Surprising-Truth-Flavor/dp/1476724237/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1417450544&amp;sr=8-1">The Dorito Effect: The Surprising New Truth About Food and Flavor</a><em>.&nbsp;Richard Bazinet is a professor of nutritional sciences at the University of Toronto and the Canada research chair in brain lipid metabolism.</em></p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Study: diet soda can really mess with your metabolism]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Artificial sweeteners have been controversial for almost as long as they&#8217;ve been around. As early as 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt was compelled&#160;to defend the world&#8217;s first no-calorie sweetener. &#8220;Anybody who says saccharin is injurious to health,&#8221; he said, &#8220;is an idiot!&#8221;&#160;&#160; The debate rages on today. Some dietitians and nutritional scientists go to bat for [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>Artificial sweeteners have been controversial for almost as long as they&rsquo;ve been around. As early as 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt was compelled&nbsp;to defend the world&rsquo;s first no-calorie sweetener. &ldquo;Anybody who says saccharin is injurious to health,&rdquo; he said, &#8220;is an idiot!&rdquo;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>The debate rages on today. Some dietitians and nutritional scientists go to bat for artificial sweeteners like sucralose and stevia as a safe way to enjoy sweet drinks and foods while avoiding the calories. Other scientists believe they play a role in the obesity and metabolic disease epidemics because they confuse the brain and the body about the caloric value of sweet foods. A lot of consumers &mdash;&nbsp;especially those trying to lose weight&nbsp;&mdash; end up confused.</p>

<p>Enter Dana Small, a neuroscientist at Yale University, whose <a href="http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)30876-X">research</a>, published Thursday in <em>Current Biology</em>, promises to change not only our understanding of sweeteners, but of sweetness itself.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">How Small discovered something baffling about sweetness</h2>
<p>Small did not set out to test the healthfulness of artificial sweeteners. Rather, she was exploring a more fundamental question: Is the rewarding character of sweet foods due to the calories those foods contain?</p>

<p>To test her hypothesis, Small created five beverages. All were sweetened using the identical amount of sucralose, an artificial sweetener, so that they tasted about as sweet as a drink containing about 75 calories of sugar. But then Small varied the calories using a tasteless carbohydrate called maltodextrin. The small army of beverages she produced &mdash; each with its own distinctive color and flavor &mdash; were all equally sweet, but contained the following calories: zero, 37.5, 75, 112.5, 150.</p>

<p>After subjects had consumed each drink six times over a period of weeks &mdash; twice in the lab and four times at home &mdash; Small used fMRI brain scanning to see how each drink affected brain reward circuits. Her prediction: The more calories, the greater the reward.</p>

<p>The results were nothing like she envisioned. The most &ldquo;reinforcing&rdquo; drink was the 75-calorie one. It generated a stronger brain response than the 0-calorie drink, but it also generated a stronger brain response than the 150-calorie drink.</p>

<p>This made no sense. If calories were what made sweet foods appealing, why would a 75-calorie drink be more rewarding than a 150-calorie drink? But if calories had nothing to do with it, what made the 75-calorie drink more desirable than the zero-calorie drink?</p>

<p>It took Small two years to unravel these baffling results &mdash; with more experiments and analysis. In one experiment, she measured the body&rsquo;s metabolic response, which is the energy the body expends to process calories. Once again, the results repeated themselves. The metabolic response to the high-calorie drink was <em>lower</em> than it was for the medium-calorie drink, a result that made Small think, &ldquo;Holy cow, what&rsquo;s going on?&rdquo;</p>
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<p>Eventually, she pieced it all together. Sweetness, she realized, plays a role in how the body responds to food. &ldquo;It regulates the metabolic signal,&rdquo; Small says.</p>

<p>When sweetness and calories were matched, it all ran as expected: the 75-calorie drink produced not only the largest metabolic response but also the largest brain response &mdash; because the calories matched the taste.</p>

<p>But when there was a &ldquo;mismatch&rdquo; between sweetness and calories, the response was strangely muted. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s like the system threw up its hands and didn&rsquo;t know what to do,&rdquo; Small explains. &nbsp;</p>

<p>The findings present certain troubling questions. For example, what happens to all those &ldquo;mismatched&rdquo; calories that don&rsquo;t get metabolized? &ldquo;We know it&rsquo;s not being used as a fuel&rdquo; Small says. &ldquo;What&rsquo;s happening to it?&rdquo;</p>

<p>Those extra calories, she says, are probably being stored, either in muscle, in the liver, or in fat, none of which is desirable. &ldquo;If sweeteners are disrupting how carbohydrates are being metabolized, then this could be an important mechanism behind the metabolic dysfunction we see in diets high in processed foods.&rdquo; &nbsp;</p>

<p>The findings also suggest that whatever benefit or harm there may be to artificial sweeteners is context dependent. A diet drink consumed by itself and on an empty stomach may be far less harmful than one consumed with carbohydrates &mdash; with a sandwich, say, or a bag of chips.</p>

<p>But what&rsquo;s troubling is that in an effort to reduce added sugars, food companies are now designing all sorts of products that contain blends of sweeteners and carbohydrates that could be disrupting the body&rsquo;s metabolic response. The sports drink Powerade, Small notes in her paper, contains the sugars glucose and fructose alongside the artificial sweeteners sucralose and Acesulfame K. A yogurt product made by Chobani called Simply 100 similarly contains 14 grams of carbohydrate (six of which are from sugars) as well as stevia leaf extract.</p>

<p>This may also explain why the existing body of research on artificial sweeteners is so mixed. For example, a study published in <em>The New England Journal of Medicine </em>in 2012 found that Dutch children who consumed a single artificially sweetened beverage each day for 18 months gained less weight and less fat than children who drank a single sugar-sweetened beverage each day.</p>

<p>And yet, in much of the observational research &mdash; in which scientists look at large populations &mdash; people who consume artificially sweetened drinks, especially those who consume them a lot, appear to be at an alarmingly high risk for obesity, Type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.</p>

<p>Defenders of artificial sweeteners attribute this to &ldquo;reverse causation.&rdquo; Obese people, they point out, are already at a higher risk for obesity and metabolic disease. And since obese people are likely to turn to artificial sweeteners to lose weight, these studies just make it appear as though the artificial sweeteners are putting them at higher risk. (These studies, in other words, can make correlations look like causes.) Critics of artificial sweeteners counter that they still look bad even when you adjust for BMI, and that rats fed artificial sweeteners have been found to gain more weight than rats who are not.</p>

<p>In the Dutch study, when the children consumed their beverages at school, it was during morning break. The paper does not indicate<strong> </strong>whether or not food was consumed alongside them, and if so what kind of food.</p>

<p>Small&rsquo;s research suggests this could be an important variable. Similarly, habitual users who drink, say, three or more artificially sweetened beverages a day may be more likely to consume them in combinations with food that are problematic. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">It’s pretty much impossible to detangle taste from nutrition and metabolism</h2>
<p>Ultimately, Small&rsquo;s research attests to how difficult it is to disentangle taste and deliciousness from nutrition and metabolism. Behind the universal love of sweet foods lies a nest of complex body-brain systems that are partly driven by metabolism, but also regulate it. &nbsp;</p>

<p>&ldquo;Taste,&rdquo; Small says, &ldquo;can change the metabolic fate of calories.&rdquo;</p>

<p>In other words, the dream of foods that taste great but have none of the calories may be just a dream.</p>

<p><em>Mark Schatzker is the author of</em> The Dorito Effect: The Surprising New Truth About Food and Flavor. <em>He last wrote for Vox about </em><a href="https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/1/27/14414538/supermarket-tomatoes-taste-fix-science"><em>tomato flavor</em></a><em>.</em></p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Tomato flavor is broken. Can it be fixed?]]></title>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Cardboard. Memory foam. Wet cotton balls. There are many ways to describe the flavor of the modern-day supermarket tomato. It may be the only fruit in America to qualify as a biological tragedy. Back in 1989, a molecular biologist named Harry Klee was hired by Monsanto to create a genetically modified tomato with better flavor. [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>Cardboard. Memory foam. Wet cotton balls. There are many ways to describe the flavor  of the modern-day supermarket tomato. It may be the only fruit in America to qualify as a biological tragedy.</p>

<p>Back in 1989, a molecular biologist named Harry Klee was hired by Monsanto to create a genetically modified tomato with better flavor. After years of research and $10 million, Klee managed to develop one &mdash; but it tasted only marginally superior to what was available in supermarkets. Determined to keep at it, in 1995 he joined the Horticultural Sciences Department at the University of Florida, where he has spent the past 22 years studying what makes tomatoes taste good.</p>

<p>Last month, Klee and a team of collaborators, including scientists from China, Spain, and Israel, published a <a href="http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6323/391">paper</a> in <em>Science </em>analyzing<em> </em>flavor-associated chemicals in 398 modern, heirloom, and wild tomatoes. The results are pretty intriguing. I spoke to Klee to find out exactly what went wrong with tomatoes and why, and whether the damage can be undone.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>The first line of your <em>Science</em> paper says, &ldquo;Modern commercial tomato varieties are substantially less flavorful than heirloom varieties.&rdquo; Is there now scientific proof that supermarket tomatoes really do taste terrible?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>Since 2010, we&rsquo;ve run about 40 taste panels, consisting of around 100 people each, to rate 160 different varieties of tomatoes. Supermarket tomatoes, for the most part, struggle to get out of the bottom third of the ratings.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>What&rsquo;s wrong with them?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>Roughly half of the flavor compounds are significantly worse in modern varieties. They&rsquo;re also much lower in sugar. We found this by running a complete chemical profile of every tomato variety and asking, what&rsquo;s in the tomatoes people like and what&rsquo;s in the ones people don&rsquo;t like? Then we took it a step further and used software that goes through the entire tomato genome and checks every nucleotide to see if it&rsquo;s correlated with a particular flavor compound. When we took all the modern varieties and grouped them together and compared their flavor compounds with the old varieties, what we found the modern varieties are way lower.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>How did this happen?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>For decades, tomato breeders have selected traits related to performance &mdash; yield, disease resistance, how well tomatoes ship, how well they last on a shelf. Those are the things they can measure and do measure, and they&rsquo;ve done very well at it. But they never select for flavor. And if you don&rsquo;t select for flavor, you are selecting against it.</p>

<p>In the case of sugar, it&rsquo;s a little bit different. We found there is a definite trade-off between sugar content and fruit size. And the tomatoes you find in the store these days are gigantic. But this actually goes way back. The pre-Columbian natives who domesticated tomatoes were themselves selecting for bigger fruit that has less sugar.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>Wouldn&rsquo;t the tomato breeders have noticed their new tomato varieties tasted bland?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>Probably not. In a single generation, they would have only lost one flavor compound, so the difference would have been extremely subtle. Over several generations, however, the effect is huge. The best analogy I can come up with is an orchestra. If you pull out one instrument, you don&rsquo;t miss it unless you&rsquo;re really discerning. But if you slowly remove 12 members of the orchestra, at that point it sounds different.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>Could you use the gene-editing technology <a href="http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/30/13164064/crispr-cas9-gene-editing">CRISPR</a> to plug the good flavor genes back into modern tomatoes?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>CRISPR is very powerful technology, but at this point you can only knock things down or out. We don&rsquo;t know how to make more of things with CRISPR. You can&rsquo;t use it to put in a genetic trait that&rsquo;s not there.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>So what is the blueprint to fix tomatoes?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>What we need to do is get the flavor from heirlooms into modern tomatoes but leave behind everything else we don&rsquo;t want &mdash; the thin skin, the mushy texture, the low yield, and the poor disease resistance. If you do that through classical breeding, it will take many generations. Instead, we&rsquo;re using something called molecular breeding.</p>

<p>Basically, you cross an heirloom and a modern tomato,<strong> </strong>grow it to the seedling stage, and then screen it for the genetic markers you want. It might take a million seedlings, but eventually you will find the rare cross that inherited the one chromosome with the gene you want from the heirloom but not the other 11. With molecular breeding you can do in three generations what it would take a traditional breeder to do in seven. That&rsquo;s a year and a half versus three years. &nbsp;</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>So in a year and a half, will all tomatoes be delicious?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>No, because it&rsquo;s not one gene we&rsquo;re after. It&rsquo;s a minimum of five.<strong> </strong>And many of them are found in different heirloom parents. So five genes will require about three years of molecular breeding.</p>

<p>But we will still run into a problem with sugar. Tomato growers know consumers prefer sweeter tomatoes. They also know that sweeter means smaller fruit size. And they don&rsquo;t want to grow smaller tomatoes, because that pushes their labor costs up.</p>

<p>So until we can convince consumers to pay more money for smaller tomatoes, they&rsquo;re just not going to taste like that Brandywine you picked in your backyard. That said, I think we can have a major impact by focusing on flavor compounds. I think you would eat that tomato and say, &ldquo;This is noticeably better.&rdquo;</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>If scientists studied other fruits and vegetables for flavor loss the way you have with tomatoes, do you think we would see similar blandness in modern varieties?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>I think most people recognize that the gigantic strawberries you get in the store are not nearly as good as the tiny ones you pick in the wild. Any crop that has been heavily bred and not screened for flavor or nutrition is going to suffer. The blueberries grown in Florida are gigantic, and they&rsquo;re also tasteless.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>So is there, similarly, the potential to make other members of the produce aisle taste better?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>Absolutely. We call it &ldquo;consumer-assisted selection.&rdquo; It means you start with the consumer rather than end with the consumer, and I think that&rsquo;s the real breakthrough here. It&rsquo;s common sense, but hardly anyone does it. And it drives me crazy.</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Mark Schatzker</strong></h3>
<p>Do you think we will see that happen?</p>
<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Harry Klee</strong></h3>
<p>I do. But it might not happen here. Right now, China is probably spending 10 times what we are on basic plant research. We had to go to China to find a collaborator to sequence all these tomato genomes. You know who the No. 1 producer of tomatoes in the world is? China. They&rsquo;re going to be ahead of us. It&rsquo;s inevitable.</p>

<p><em>Mark Schatzker is the author of&nbsp;</em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dorito-Effect-Surprising-Truth-Flavor/dp/1476724237/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1417450544&amp;sr=8-1"><strong>The Dorito Effect: The Surprising New Truth About Food and Flavor</strong></a><em>.&nbsp;</em></p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Further reading:</h2><ul class="wp-block-list"><li><a href="http://www.vox.com/culture/2016/10/6/13078268/honeycrisp-apple-explainer-club-apples">Honeycrisp was just the beginning: inside the quest to create the perfect apple</a></li><li><a href="http://www.vox.com/2016/2/12/10972140/fruits-vegetables-taste-better-europe">Why fruits and vegetables taste better in Europe</a></li></ul>
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