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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[How issuing pardons could end Trump’s presidency]]></title>
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			<updated>2017-11-06T12:13:06-05:00</updated>
			<published>2017-11-06T11:40:02-05:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[So far, President Donald Trump has been sticking to Twitter to counter Robert Mueller&#8217;s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. But following the indictment of two campaign staffers &#8212; along with disclosure of&#160;a guilty plea and cooperation agreement by a campaign foreign policy adviser &#8212; President Trump may be tempted to use [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>So far, President Donald Trump has been sticking to Twitter to counter Robert Mueller&rsquo;s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.</p>

<p>But following the indictment of two campaign staffers &mdash; along with disclosure of&nbsp;a guilty plea and cooperation agreement by a campaign foreign policy adviser &mdash; President Trump may be tempted to use the powers of the presidency to lessen his legal and political exposure.</p>

<p>With <a href="https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/5/16609292/mueller-michael-flynn-russia-charges-nbc">the news</a> that Mueller may have enough information to charge Michael Flynn, a former national security adviser, the temptation may grow all the stronger.</p>

<p>One possibility is that he could fire special counsel Mueller, but <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/1/16585934/mueller-trump-fired">he&rsquo;d have to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein first</a> &mdash; and possibly other officials too. That could get messy, fast. Reports indicate that Trump has also asked about the scope of his pardon powers. And in recent days, some key allies have encouraged the president <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/begging-your-pardon-mr-president-1509302308">to issue pardons</a> of one sort or another, including a blanket pardon to all officials involved in his campaign.</p>

<p>It would be within the president&rsquo;s authority to issue such pardons. Article II of the Constitution grants presidents broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, a power that many legal scholars believe is unreviewable by courts.</p>

<p>If true, this presents a frightening situation: The president may retain a controversial, yet legal, way to obstruct the workings of our justice system.</p>

<p>But that doesn&rsquo;t mean the Constitution leaves Congress without any power to check his abuses. If President Trump abuses his pardon power, Congress can fight back in two ways.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Congress could compel testimony of pardoned individuals by threatening them with civil contempt</h2>
<p>The first way Congress could respond to unreasonable presidential pardons is to subpoena those who accept these pardons &mdash; that is, demand that they testify in public or private hearings.</p>

<p>If they refuse to testify, Congress could charge them with civil contempt. The pardoned officials might therefore face jail time.</p>

<p>How would this work? As many legal scholars have already noted, once an individual is pardoned, she is shielded from criminal liability. Since she can&rsquo;t be charged with a crime, she gives up her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the privilege commonly known as the &ldquo;right to remain silent.&rdquo;</p>

<p>That means there is nothing preventing Congress, which has broad subpoena power, from asking pardoned individuals about their campaign activities, or activities since the election &mdash; including about any illegal activity in which they took part.</p>

<p>Some scholars <a href="https://www.vox.com/2017/8/29/16211784/trump-pardon-mueller-constitution-russia">have pointed out</a> that individuals might only forfeit their right not to testify about the crimes for which they have been pardoned. That is, they can still plead the Fifth if asked about anything else. But even so, as in the Manafort case, the crimes charged may be plentiful, and so there might be plenty on which the pardoned individual could be asked to testify.</p>

<p>But what if these witnesses still refuse to testify? Congress has another card to play.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Presidents can’t pardon people held in contempt of Congress</h2>
<p>If pardoned individuals refuse to answer questions, congressional committees can hold them in contempt of Congress, a form of civil contempt. When witnesses are held in civil contempt, they can be imprisoned until they agree to testify.</p>

<p>If Congress took this drastic action, couldn&rsquo;t the president issue a second pardon to protect an uncooperative witness? Not quite.</p>

<p>In&nbsp;<em>Ex Parte Grossman</em>, a 1925 case, the Supreme Court carved out a narrow exception to the president&rsquo;s broad power to issue pardons for federal offenses. Chief Justice William Howard Taft&nbsp;&mdash; the former president &mdash; explained that &ldquo;a pardon cannot stop&rdquo; the charge of civil (as opposed to criminal) contempt.</p>

<p>The distinction may be hard to grasp for nonlawyers, but what it means is that the president can arguably pardon criminal contempt convictions that aim to punish wrongdoers. In fact, President Trump recently pardoned Joe Arpaio for this very charge.</p>

<p>But the pardon power does not extend to civil contempt, which is used by government bodies to ensure that individuals comply with government directives, rather than as punishment for something they have already done.</p>

<p>Because contempt of Congress can&rsquo;t be pardoned, Trump could do little to obstruct congressional committees from engaging in broad-reaching fact finding. Trump&rsquo;s pardons may therefore embolden investigators to issue subpoenas and pressure pardoned individuals to talk.</p>

<p>In short, far from quashing the media&rsquo;s interest in Russian collusion, the use of such pardons may keep the story in the headlines for the foreseeable future, threatening to (further) derail the Trump presidency.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The impeachment option</h2>
<p>Congress could also impeach the president for drastic abuses of the pardon power. Just as Article II of the Constitution gives the president broad powers to issue pardons, Article I gives Congress broad powers to conduct impeachment proceedings and determine impeachable offenses &mdash; including misusing pardons.</p>

<p>The Supreme Court wrote in <em>Grossman</em> that &ldquo;exceptional cases&rdquo; in which the president seemed to be using his pardon power to obstruct justice &ldquo;would suggest a resort to impeachment.&rdquo; In fact, Congress cited President Andrew Johnson&rsquo;s abuse of the pardon power when it first attempted to impeach him in the late 1860s. (Johnson pardoned Confederate leaders whom Congress had disqualified from leadership positions in the Reconstruction South.)</p>

<p>The founders themselves explained the rationale for permitting impeachment in such a case.</p>

<p>During his state&rsquo;s convention for ratifying the Constitution, James Madison argued that impeachment ought to be triggered if the president obstructed justice through the use of pardons. His comments were clear: &ldquo;[I]f the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representatives can impeach him.&#8221;</p>

<p>For Madison&rsquo;s vision of the Constitution to make sense, Congress, our most representative institution, must be willing to consider impeachment of the president once the pardon power is abused.</p>

<p>Otherwise, the pardon power, itself a legal tool, could register a shocking blow to the rule of law: It would permit presidents to engage in criminal conduct with the intention of pardoning their co-conspirators.</p>

<p>In a caps-locked cry for help, President Trump recently deemed the Russia investigation a witch hunt, tweeting that someone should &ldquo;DO SOMETHING!&rdquo;</p>

<p>Given that level of apparent distress, he may be itching to take matters into his own hands. But President Trump ought to think twice before reaching for his pardon pen.</p>

<p>Far from shutting down the Russia controversy, pardons could begin a new contentious chapter that could end the Trump presidency.</p>

<p><em>Vinay Nayak and Samuel Breidbart are students at Yale Law School.</em></p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Could we reverse a hacked presidential election?]]></title>
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			<updated>2017-10-12T16:16:30-04:00</updated>
			<published>2017-10-12T08:50:02-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[What would happen if we discovered that Russians hacked into the results of the 2016 presidential election and tipped the outcome in favor of Donald Trump &#8212; literally changed the vote totals?&#160; In the past few weeks, we have learned that the Russian government reached more than 10 million Americans with a misinformation campaign on [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p>What would happen if we discovered that Russians hacked into the results of the 2016 presidential election and tipped the outcome in favor of Donald Trump &mdash; literally changed the vote totals?&nbsp;</p>

<p>In the past few weeks, we have learned that the Russian government <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/facebook_says_russian_linked_ads_seen_by_10_million_americans.html">reached more than 10 million Americans</a> with a misinformation campaign on Facebook, and that hackers <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/us/politics/us-tells-21-states-that-hackers-targeted-their-voting-systems.html">targeted 21 state election systems</a>, stealing information from <a href="http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/">90,000 voting records</a> in the state of Illinois alone. These are just the latest of many revelations about Russia&rsquo;s unprecedented interference in the election.</p>

<p>It is cold comfort that we have no evidence so far that Moscow actually manipulated vote tallies to change the election&rsquo;s outcome.</p>

<p>But what if it emerges that Russian operatives were successful on that front as well? Setting Trump aside, what if a foreign government succeeds in the future in electing an American president through active vote manipulation?</p>

<p>The Constitution offers no clear way to remedy such a disaster.</p>

<p>Any evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia raises its own set of important issues &mdash; now being <a href="//www.vox.com/world/2017/7/24/16008272/robert-mueller-fbi-trump-russia-explained">assiduously investigated</a> by special counsel Robert Mueller. But the disturbing scenario in which hackers manipulate election results, conceivably rendering the true vote tally unrecoverable, would pose a unique threat to a foundational principle of our democracy: rule by the consent of the governed. We would in no sense have a government &ldquo;by the people.&rdquo;</p>

<p>Although such a constitutional crisis now seems all too plausible, we have yet to seriously consider provisions that might protect our democracy &mdash; measures that could allow us to reverse such a result.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">The Electoral College can act, but only if the hack is discovered immediately</h2>
<p>One tool to resolve a hacked election is that old, most vilified institution: the Electoral College. While many see the Electoral College as <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/12315574/electoral-college-explained-presidential-elections-2016">archaic and inherently undemocratic</a>, the very mechanism that allows electors to deviate from the popular vote may be the simplest way to reverse an undemocratic election result. If notified of the outcome-altering interference in time, the electors could mitigate the damage by selecting a different candidate.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, this approach can only work if the interference becomes apparent between Election Day and when the Electoral College votes, typically a month or so later.</p>

<p>But what if we discover interference well after the Electoral College has voted &mdash; with an illegitimate president sitting in the Oval Office? In such a case, we lack the protections enjoyed by other nations, such as the United Kingdom. Under a parliamentary system, elected representatives can vote to dissolve the standing government and hold an election to install a new executive. (Similarly, some US states allow for recall elections that could solve this problem if Russia managed, for whatever reason, to swing a gubernatorial election.)</p>

<p>At first glance, the Constitution contains no provision that would rescue us. There are two mechanisms that allow for the removal of the president: <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/12/15615066/impeachment-trump-process-history">impeachment</a> and the <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14488980/25th-amendment-trump-pence">25th<sup> </sup>Amendment</a>. But impeachment is reserved for presidents found guilty of &ldquo;high crimes and misdemeanors,&rdquo; and the 25th Amendment only provides for the removal of an executive who is &ldquo;unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.&rdquo;</p>

<p>Does a president who <em>unknowingly</em> benefits from illegal hacking commit a high crime or misdemeanor? That&rsquo;s far from clear. Is a president who is healthy and competent, but illegitimately elected, unfit to discharge the powers and duties of his office? To some degree that&rsquo;s for Congress for decide, and the Supreme Court might defer to legislators who conclude that a president is unfit to serve. But the answer to that question, too, is ambiguous.</p>

<p>This brings us back to square one.</p>

<p>To avert a constitutional crisis, it is time that we devise a solution to this foreseeable problem. Naturally, any such reform should happen alongside continued efforts to improve our election infrastructure &mdash; building better systems for maintaining voter rolls and counting ballots, even as hackers continue to improve their infiltration methods.</p>

<p>We must use the same tools as the founders, law and institution building, to deter hostile foreign actors and fortify the process for choosing our leaders.</p>
<h2 class="wp-block-heading">We may need a constitutional amendment</h2>
<p>One way to do so would be to empower Congress to dissolve an illegitimate government and call for a special election. Norm Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, has <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/rewriting-the-rules-of-presidential-succession/520860/">raised the possibility</a> that Congress could pass legislation providing for a new presidential election &mdash; a &ldquo;do-over&rdquo; election, in effect. Article II, Section I of the Constitution gives Congress the power to &ldquo;provide by Law&rdquo; who shall succeed the president. But as the Constitution is currently written, Congress can only legislate on this issue if the president and vice president are no longer in office due to &ldquo;Removal, Death, Resignation, or Inability.&rdquo;</p>

<p>A constitutional amendment could give Congress the authority to act in the case of an illegitimate election as well. It would not be the first time that Congress has extended its authority in the area of presidential succession. The 25th Amendment, which gave Congress some authority to remove a president who is deemed unfit to serve, was ratified as recently as 1967. Now might be the time to extend congressional power in this domain to the scenario in which a president was elected illegitimately. Such a provision would provide a clearer blueprint for how our democracy would move forward, with Congress leading the way.</p>

<p>Another option would be to constitutionally empower the Electoral College to police foreign influence in our elections &mdash; even after a new president is inaugurated. The founders explicitly conceived of the Electoral College as a mechanism to prevent an illegitimate president from taking office. In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton <a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp">wrote</a> that the Electoral College was designed to check any &ldquo;foreign powers [hoping] to gain an improper ascendant in our councils,&rdquo; and that electors should guard against foreign capture of the presidency in particular.</p>

<p>Empowering the Electoral College with the investigative authority to carry out this obligation may seem like a drastic step, but it may be the simplest way to guard against an illegitimate presidency without departing far from the vision of our founders. Any such solution would also have to ensure that the electors &mdash; now a group largely chosen by party leaders &mdash; are the kind of people who could make the reasoned, nonpartisan judgments that their expanded role would require.</p>

<p>We should act before we find ourselves thrust into a constitutional crisis of historic dimensions. But any solution to this issue &mdash; most likely in the form of a constitutional amendment &mdash; would require bipartisanship in a time of unprecedented polarization. If recent history is any indicator, the Republican-controlled Congress (and Republican-controlled state legislatures) will be unwilling to work with Democrats to remedy this constitutional defect.</p>

<p>In the meantime, our Constitution leaves us powerless to protect against those waiting for the right moment to subvert our electoral system, assuming they have not already done so.</p>

<p><em>Vinay Nayak and Samuel Breidbart are students at Yale Law School.</em></p>
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