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The Gray Area

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.

New episodes drop every Monday.

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Are you a “political hobbyist”? If so, you may be the problem.Are you a “political hobbyist”? If so, you may be the problem.
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Political scientist Eitan Hersh explains how “political hobbyism” is ruining politics on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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What would a Sanders or Biden presidency look like?What would a Sanders or Biden presidency look like?
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Matt Yglesias and Ezra Klein discuss potential Biden and Sanders foreign policy approaches, staffing decisions, and more on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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Rebecca Solnit on Harvey Weinstein, feminism, and social changeRebecca Solnit on Harvey Weinstein, feminism, and social change
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“One of the great activist-essayists of our age” joins The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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Pulitzer Prize-winning poet Tracy K. Smith on the purpose and power of poetryPulitzer Prize-winning poet Tracy K. Smith on the purpose and power of poetry
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The two-time American poet laureate joins The Ezra Klein Show for a powerful conversation on love, language, and more.

By Ezra Klein
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What Trump got right about white AmericaWhat Trump got right about white America
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AEI’s Tim Carney discusses how social breakdown killed the American dream on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Jane Coaston
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Ta-Nehisi Coates on why political power isn’t enough for the rightTa-Nehisi Coates on why political power isn’t enough for the right
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Ta-Nehisi Coates and Vox’s Ezra Klein discuss cultural power, demographic change, and Ezra’s “cold, atheist book.”

By Ezra Klein
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“We’re in the climax of a movie”: Tim Urban on humanity’s wild future“We’re in the climax of a movie”: Tim Urban on humanity’s wild future
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The Wait But Why creator thinks the human species is at an existential fork in the road.

By Ezra Klein
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Harvard historian Jill Lepore on what “Why We’re Polarized” gets wrongHarvard historian Jill Lepore on what “Why We’re Polarized” gets wrong
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Jill Lepore and I discuss my new book, Fox News, the missing party in American politics, and more on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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Why some conservatives are rethinking libertarian economicsWhy some conservatives are rethinking libertarian economics
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AEI scholar Yuval Levin discusses what conservatism is and where the conservatism movement went awry on The Ezra Klein Show podcast.

By Ezra Klein
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Is Tom Steyer the problem — or the solution?Is Tom Steyer the problem — or the solution?
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Why the 2020 presidential candidate thinks we need another billionaire businessman to beat Trump.

By Ezra Klein
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There are far worse things than polarizationThere are far worse things than polarization
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Listen to this episode of The Ezra Klein Show to hear a live conversation with Jamelle Bouie on Ezra Klein’s new book, Why We’re Polarized.

By Ezra Klein
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The moral philosophy of The Good PlaceThe moral philosophy of The Good Place
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The geniuses behind TV’s most philosophically inclined sitcom join The Ezra Klein Show podcast to discuss what it means to be a good person.

By Ezra Klein
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“The moral guardrails ... have dropped”: Why anti-Semitism persists“The moral guardrails ... have dropped”: Why anti-Semitism persists
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Is anti-Semitism making a comeback? This episode of The Ezra Klein Show zooms in.

By Ezra Klein
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Toward a better theory of identity politicsToward a better theory of identity politics
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Listen to an exclusive preview of my new book, Why We’re Polarized, on The Ezra Klein Show podcast.

By Ezra Klein
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The war on MuslimsThe war on Muslims
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Podcasts

Mehdi Hasan discusses the rise of global Islamophobia on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
Politics
Why didn’t Cory Booker catch on?Why didn’t Cory Booker catch on?
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An “uncomfortable” conversation with Booker, recorded just before he dropped out.

By Ezra Klein
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Nathan Robinson’s case for socialismNathan Robinson’s case for socialism
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Listen to the editor of Current Affairs on Bernie Sanders, libertarian socialism, utopian thinking, and more on this episode of The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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How to topple dictators and transform societyHow to topple dictators and transform society
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Nonviolent resistance scholar Erica Chenoweth explains the key ingredients of successful social movements.

By Ezra Klein
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Paul Krugman on climate, robots, single-payer, and so much morePaul Krugman on climate, robots, single-payer, and so much more
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The Nobel prize-winning economist explains it all.

By Ezra Klein
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The geoengineering questionThe geoengineering question
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The radical idea that could shatter the link between emissions and global warming.

By Ezra Klein
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How to solve climate change and make life more awesomeHow to solve climate change and make life more awesome
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We already have all the tools we need to fix climate change. We just need to use them.

By Ezra Klein
Politics
Paul Krugman’s 3-part test for deficit spendingPaul Krugman’s 3-part test for deficit spending
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The Nobel-prize winning economist doesn’t think Democrats should pay for all their programs. Here’s why.

By Ezra Klein
Future Perfect
Peter Singer on the lives you can savePeter Singer on the lives you can save
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Future Perfect

Why living ethically is so incredibly difficult.

By Ezra Klein
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When doing the right thing makes you a criminalWhen doing the right thing makes you a criminal
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Wayne Hsiung has spent the last half decade rescuing sick, dying animals from factory farms. Now, he’s facing prison time of up to 60 years.

By Ezra Klein
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Why your parents use emojis, periods, and all-caps all wrongWhy your parents use emojis, periods, and all-caps all wrong
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Linguist Gretchen McCulloch explains how the internet transformed language for the better on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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There’s more to life than profitThere’s more to life than profit
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Former Kickstarter CEO Yancey Strickler discusses climate change, founding Kickstarter and the perils of profit on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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Having a bad day? Dave Eggers can help.Having a bad day? Dave Eggers can help.
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David Eggers and I discuss satire, the Trump presidency, and the importance of disconnecting from technology on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
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How Whole Foods, yoga, and NPR became the hallmarks of the modern eliteHow Whole Foods, yoga, and NPR became the hallmarks of the modern elite
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Elizabeth Currid-Halkett explains why today’s rich are far less materialistic, but a far greater threat to equality.

By Ezra Klein
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How social media makes us antisocialHow social media makes us antisocial
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Andrew Marantz and I discuss the symbiotic relationship between social media platforms and the alt-right.

By Ezra Klein
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What a smarter Trumpism sounds likeWhat a smarter Trumpism sounds like
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Michael Lind and I discuss class warfare, China, Trumpism, and the possibility of political compromise on The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
Politics
“The Meritocracy Trap,” explained“The Meritocracy Trap,” explained
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A new book outlines how meritocracy imprisons us all.

By Roge Karma
Future Perfect
Battle-tested lessons from the animal rights struggleBattle-tested lessons from the animal rights struggle
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Future Perfect

Ezra Klein and Mercy for Animals President Leah Garcés discuss what animal rights activism can teach us about navigating political divides.

By Ezra Klein
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Is Big Tech addictive? A debate with Nir Eyal.Is Big Tech addictive? A debate with Nir Eyal.
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Ezra Klein and Nir Eyal, author of Hooked and Indistractable, disagree over the role of technology in hijacking our attention.

By Ezra Klein
The Gray Area
“No permanent friends, no permanent enemies”: inside the Sunrise Movement’s plan to save humanity“No permanent friends, no permanent enemies”: inside the Sunrise Movement’s plan to save humanity
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The Gray Area

A conversation with Varshini Prakash, the activist leading the charge for the Green New Deal.

By Ezra Klein
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George Will makes the conservative case against democracyGeorge Will makes the conservative case against democracy
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Where George Will thinks America went wrong.

By Ezra Klein
Flow thinking
Alison Gopnik changed how I think about loveAlison Gopnik changed how I think about love
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Flow thinking

The professor came on The Ezra Klein Show to talk about parenting, friendships, marriage, and schooling.

By Ezra Klein
Flow thinking
Michael Lewis reads my mindMichael Lewis reads my mind
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Flow thinking

The author shares book recommendations and his writing process with The Ezra Klein Show.

By Ezra Klein
Flow thinking
How the brains of master meditators changeHow the brains of master meditators change
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Flow thinking

The scientist joins The Ezra Klein Show to discuss what he learned from bringing the Dalai Lama to his lab.

By Ezra Klein
Flow thinking
Jenny Odell and the art of attentionJenny Odell and the art of attention
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Flow thinking

The artist and author talks to Ezra Klein about overstimulation and the difference between productivity and creativity.

By Ezra Klein
Politics
Pete Buttigieg explains his theory of political changePete Buttigieg explains his theory of political change
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The South Bend mayor turned 2020 hopeful talked to Ezra Klein about how being a mayor has prepared him for national office and his vision for the country.

By Lexie Schapitl