The Gray Area
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.
New episodes drop every Monday.
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Billions of animals die each year for our plates. What if they didn’t have to?


Michael Pollan, N.K. Jemisin, Sam Harris, and more: The conversations that shaped my thinking in 2018.

Everything you need to get through the holidays.


The FiveThirtyEight founder talks with Ezra Klein about who will win in 2018 — and how to think about 2020.


A difficult conversation about the state of political journalism.


The author of Why Liberalism Failed identifies liberalism’s flaws on The Ezra Klein Show.


The author of Identity makes a case against identity politics on the Ezra Klein Show.


The author of One Person, No Vote talks gerrymandering and voter suppression on The Ezra Klein Show.




The philosopher talks fear and politics on the Ezra Klein Show.


The National Review writer talks “The Great White Culture War” on The Ezra Klein Show.


“How can there be anything wrong with trying to do good? The answer may be: when the good is an accomplice to even greater, if more invisible, harm.”


The author of Hyperfocus talks productivity and attention on The Ezra Klein Show.


What you should be listening to in the car, on a plane, or at home.


The Hugo Award–winning author walks Ezra Klein through her process of world-building.


The 2020 presidential candidate shares his vision for the future of work on the Ezra Klein Show.


The chef and host of No Passport Required talks creativity and diversity on The Ezra Klein Show.


On the Ezra Klein Show, the technosociologist talks YouTube, censorship, and our “ex-reality TV star” president.


On The Ezra Klein Show, the political scientist explains how Republicans and Democrats became so divided.


The economist appeared on The Ezra Klein Show to discuss Trump’s trade war.


The president of the American Enterprise Institute appeared on The Ezra Klein Show to talk about how to disagree well.


On the Ezra Klein Show, the Slate reporter tracks the Court’s role in politics and vice versa.


Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti on governing a changing America.


On the Ezra Klein Show this week, the mayor of Los Angeles talked about running one of the most diverse cities in the world


The former CEO of Reddit talks sexual harassment, diversity in tech, and what we got wrong about Silicon Valley.


Joy appeared on The Ezra Klein Show to talk about “carnism.”


On The Ezra Klein Show, the investigative reporter discusses torture, the radical right, and the #MeToo movement.


The author of The Color of Money thought carefully about the books she’d recommend on The Ezra Klein Show.


From Plato and Nietzsche to tennis and the Beatles.


The author of The Omnivore’s Dilemma appeared on The Ezra Klein Show to discuss his new book about the science of psychedelics.


And most of them were written before 1900.


Amy Chozick discussed her new book, Chasing Hillary, on The Ezra Klein Show.


Professor Lilliana Mason appeared on the Ezra Klein Show to discuss her new book on partisan “mega-identities.”


And offering solutions on how to save us from ourselves.


The author of a new book on depression appeared on The Ezra Klein Show to discuss how society is keeping us from being happy.


The author of White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide appeared on a bonus episode of The Ezra Klein Show.


Ezra and Sam Harris debate race, IQ, identity politics, and much more.

Critics say the social networking giant did not do enough to stop violence against the Rohingya.

Cook attacked Facebook for how it handles user data, calling users the social platform’s “product.”

“We will dig through this hole, but it will take a few years.”