The Gray Area
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.
New episodes drop every Monday.
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Perez is President Barack Obama’s labor secretary.


After a year off from blogging, Andrew Sullivan has a lot to say.


The founding director of the Congressional Budget Office on how policymaking really works in Washington.


Does America have a culture of overwork?




Those badges are not created equal.


“The most important article you write on your blog is the second article someone reads.”


How the most influential conservative activist in America plans for the future.


What is Clinton’s management style? How does she choose the people around her?


“The road is littered with bodies and bodies of great, great cooks who could never become great chefs. Cooking is about failure — over and over and over again.”


“If we see no angels, it’s because we harbor none.”


“To say that there is not enough money is just a lie. There’s plenty of money in the world; it’s just not going to health care for poor people.”


In the first episode of his new podcast, Ezra Klein interviews Rachel Maddow. Here are some highlights from their conversation.