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The Gray Area

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.

New episodes drop every Monday.

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VP dark horse Tom Perez talks labor rules, minimum wage, and more on The Ezra Klein ShowVP dark horse Tom Perez talks labor rules, minimum wage, and more on The Ezra Klein Show
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Politics

Perez is President Barack Obama’s labor secretary.

By Jeff Stein
Politics
Andrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and stopping Donald TrumpAndrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and stopping Donald Trump
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After a year off from blogging, Andrew Sullivan has a lot to say.

By Ezra Klein
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Alice Rivlin, queen of Washington’s budget wonksAlice Rivlin, queen of Washington’s budget wonks
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The founding director of the Congressional Budget Office on how policymaking really works in Washington.

By Ezra Klein
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Arianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social mediaArianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social media
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Podcasts

Does America have a culture of overwork?

By Ezra Klein
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Bruce Friedrich on why you shouldn’t trust humane certifications on eggsBruce Friedrich on why you shouldn’t trust humane certifications on eggs
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Podcasts

Those badges are not created equal.

By Ezra Klein
Technology
Ben Thompson on how to make it in the media in 2016Ben Thompson on how to make it in the media in 2016
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Technology

“The most important article you write on your blog is the second article someone reads.”

By Ezra Klein
Politics
Grover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politicsGrover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politics
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Politics

How the most influential conservative activist in America plans for the future.

By Ezra Klein
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Neera Tanden on what it’s like working for Hillary ClintonNeera Tanden on what it’s like working for Hillary Clinton
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What is Clinton’s management style? How does she choose the people around her?

By Ezra Klein
Podcasts
David Chang on building Momofuku, raising restaurant wages, and exploring vegan cookingDavid Chang on building Momofuku, raising restaurant wages, and exploring vegan cooking
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Podcasts

“The road is littered with bodies and bodies of great, great cooks who could never become great chefs. Cooking is about failure — over and over and over again.”

By Ezra Klein
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Sen. Cory Booker on the spiritual dimension of American politicsSen. Cory Booker on the spiritual dimension of American politics
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Podcasts

“If we see no angels, it’s because we harbor none.”

By Ezra Klein
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World Bank President Jim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world’s poorWorld Bank President Jim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world’s poor
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Podcasts

“To say that there is not enough money is just a lie. There’s plenty of money in the world; it’s just not going to health care for poor people.”

By Ezra Klein
Politics
Rachel Maddow on skinhead protests, AIDS activism, and why she skips the op-ed pageRachel Maddow on skinhead protests, AIDS activism, and why she skips the op-ed page
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Politics

In the first episode of his new podcast, Ezra Klein interviews Rachel Maddow. Here are some highlights from their conversation.

By Ezra Klein